Hot Ghetto Mess
I admit to thinking long and hard about using that title for this blog post, but the more I thought about it, the more appropriate I thought it was when discussing City-County Councilor Doris Minton McNeil.
McNeil, when functioning, represents Council District 15 on the near northwest side of Indianpolis. McNeil’s name has been synonymous lately with “out of control.” She was arrested in October 2008 and charged with felony battery and resisting arrest where she was reportedly intoxicated. She was later found not guilty.
In August of this year, McNeil reportedly got into an altercation with a neighbor and according to police reports, McNeil smelled of alcohol. An investigation was conducted, but there was no arrest.
The latest escapade involves McNeil reportedly accosting police and journalists at the scene of a shooting at 21st and Medford. Once again, according to police sources, McNeil was “drunk and cursing like a sailor.” Once again, no arrest, but a lot of embarrasing behavior which I am told has been captured on tape.
I really don’t know how much more of this ghettoish behavior is going to be tolerated? If Minton-McNeil has a problem with alcohol she should go to rehab and get the help she needs. If she won’t, her fellow Democrats need to talk her into stepping down from her seat. And if she won’t do it voluntarily then perhaps expulsion is in order.
It’s unfortunate, but right now McNeil is no good to anyone. If anything she is an embarrasment to her community, her fellow councilors, her party and most importantly, herself.
October 22nd, 2009 at 8:34 am
Don't say she is no good to anyone…she is a functioning tool for The Democrat Machine, voting any way they tell her. -And in that capacity, The Machine can make little things like arrests for crimes just “go away” (see the recent court decision by a democrat judge that was contrary to the evidence).
October 22nd, 2009 at 8:43 am
Alcoholism, if this is the case for with this woman, has nothing to do with being from, living in, or even driving through the ghetto. But, you already know that. In fact, alcoholism is on the rise amongst college-educated (wait for it…wait for it…) suburb-dwellers.
What matters, is holding this woman accountable for her behavior and insisting that she get help. At the most urgent level, alcoholism and car keys are poor mixers.
October 22nd, 2009 at 9:00 am
Something tells me she will still be a hood rat even if she went to rehab… :)
October 22nd, 2009 at 9:11 am
OK Abdul, flag on the play…
Mrs. M-M's behavior, if reported correctly, is abhorant and disgusting. Whether or not she needs professional help is her business. Whether she continues to represent her district, or should've in the first place, is, by Indiana law, a matter for that district's Democratic precinct committeepersons (at time of vacancy). In May and/or November 2011, it'll be up to all voters of that district, if she's on the ballot.
But do you, and others, get some kind of sarcastic, sick joy from using catch-phrases to discuss these issues? You threw it out there with your headline. Anji continues it with the ridiculous “hood rat” reference.
I know of another local official, who isn't a member of a racial minority, and who doesn't live south of 38th St., who behaves just as badly, but don't see such references to that official's conduct. It's an odd question for me to ask a respected African-American radio talk show host, but it begs the question:
Why continue with this kind of borderline racist tagging? Report the incident, step back, and let folks make their own judgments. Why do we feed this savagely-hungry racial machine, time after time? (And why is it so hungry?)
Next time, Abdul, a suggestion: ask the legitimate question about behavior. Without any commentary about heritage, neighborhood, etc. If we could steer the public conversation back to her behavior, and her ability to continue serving, now THOSE are legit questions.
October 22nd, 2009 at 9:40 am
How is saying “hood rat” any more racist than saying “red neck”?
October 22nd, 2009 at 11:06 am
Melyssa, redneck is a pejorative term. Period.
October 22nd, 2009 at 11:28 am
TA: So it's now racist to use the word 'ghetto'? And is this the same Think Again who recently called Rush Limbaugh a racist? The racial machine is 'hungry' because of those of your ilk who continue to make race an issue. And your hero President ACORN is a master at playing the race card. So, with the election of our first president of African heritage, one would expect race relations to improve. The opposite is happening. Jesse Jackson in the Whitehouse couldn't be less harmful to racial harmony than Barry.
And isn't this Abdul's blog? It is his opinion and judgment (whether one's agrees or not) that make it his blog.
Next time, Think Again, a suggestion: Grow up or take your fragile sensibilities elsewhere. So it is written, so let it be done.
October 22nd, 2009 at 11:34 am
Doris has missed two months of CC meetings. Fellow democrat Sanders stated that Doris was getting medical help we all knew it was rehab. Two months of missed meetings and she still shows up at a crime scene and interferes.
When will the democrats say enough is enough and do something about McNeil?
October 22nd, 2009 at 11:37 am
The next time she asks “Do you know who I am?”. Just reply, “Yes, you are that foul talking drunken democrat appointed city councilor who missed more than two months of votes and whose salary I pay.”
I suppose that is racist too?
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Get over itAbdul is black, I have a mixed background myself and we are just, as we say, keeping it real. Sorry, but this lady does act like a hood rat. And as much as YOU name call around here???PLEASE!
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:39 pm
I just write, as a conservative Republican, to say I actually agree with the sentiments expressed by TA. I think the term “ghettoish behavior,” any way you slice it, has a certain racial tinge that is undeniable. There is just no reason to go down that road.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Wow. Some of these comments are hilarious. Whether racially mixed or not, do you think that somehow makes you immune from making stupid statements?
Thanks, Paul, for recognizing the obvious. Regardless of an offending person's background or neighborhood, we need to judge their actions solely on their merit, or, in this case, it appears, lack thereof.
Ms. M-M's alleged actions invite a few questions:
1. Is she truly ill? If so, is that mental illness? If so, I might be inclined to cut some slack, if she behaved properly and sought treatment in the privacy of her own home or medicla faiclities. She seems preoccupied with interfering with IPD, for osme unknown reason.
2. If she is not truly sekeing medical treatment, what exactly is the process for determining her fitness for office? How can she be removed?
3. We already know the replacement process once a person leaves the office. We need to petition the legislature for alternatives, because clearly this hasn't worked.
Mrs. M-M needs to come clean for several reasons:
First, the truly-mentally-ill among us, don't need the false stigmas perpetuated.
Secondly, if she's truly badgering IMPD, she needs to be prosecuted.
And lastly, her constituents deserve a council member who represents them without finding this much, uh…trouble.
I kinda like Melyssa's observation. It contains no insensitive flashpoints. And it's accurate.
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:51 pm
As I've said before, I'm a lot more worried about public corruption that goes to the heart of being an elected offical rather than these bad acts,that although deserving punishment, which are not in the same league.
I was also taught not to kick people when they're down. If DM has a problem she should get help and we all should pull for her to get better. If this is a situation that's going to linger then she needs to resign and be replaced. I'm still going to pull for her to get better, regardless of whether she is in or out of office.
October 22nd, 2009 at 3:05 pm
ghetto (get'o) n., pl. 1. a section of some European cities to which Jews were formerly restricted. 2. any section of a city in which many members of some minority group live, or to which they are restricted by discrimination.
If we are to believe Mr. Webster … Abdul's commentary is right on.
No one is forced to live in segregated areas in Indianapolis. According to the dictionary if a group of ANY minority chooses to live in an area that area is a ghetto. This could relate to ANY minority. You Lib’s are reading too much into this.
October 22nd, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Here, here, Paul…exactly my thoughts on the councilwoman. Well stated. But she needs to make that decision about staying/resigning soon. And for God's sake she needs to never travel alone or bother an IMPD officer until this situation is settled. Even if she has a legitimate, sane IMPD encounter, it could be subject to misleading accusations. Or truthful ones…
Ernie's ridiculous post reminds me of the colorful Cong. Charlie Rangell. He's in a lot of trouble for some potential ethical violations, but stick with me here:
He was forced to sit on an NYC stage with Hugo Chavez a couple of years ago. Chavez broke his own arm patting himself on the back for giving a few thousand dollars worth of heating oil to poor Harlem folks. Rangel has his fill of the self-serving dictator, who truly hates America. Rangel stepped to the michrophone and said:
“Mr. Chavez, don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.”
Ernie, don't define ghetto in the strictest sense, and presume to have us believe it doesn't have a companion definition known full-well by you and most every breathing American.
We're just not that stupid.
Doris, get some help, ok?
October 22nd, 2009 at 3:31 pm
I'm not worried about the distractions of hot button words.
I know when the CCC revised their ethics rules, some said the enforcement of the loosely phrased items was murky and still retained the fox in charge of the hen house. No one really expected them to police themselves and public humiliation seems about effective as sanctions on N.Korea. When will this paper tiger actually ACT?
October 22nd, 2009 at 4:51 pm
I disagree TA. Get out your own dictionary. If you can get past Marx, Lenin and Chavez you might find some good reading.
October 22nd, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Politicians are people and are allowed to have personal problems. However, when those problems interfere with their job, they need to resign and sort it out on their own time and their own dime.
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:25 pm
TA – you're a trip! You put politicians you can't stand and even regular posters here on blast ALL OF THE TIME! Then you want to sit up here and cry “insensitive” and whatever else when others are saying stuff you don't like. I could understand if you never, ever attacked anyone personally. But since you do it on the regular, you got some nerve talking about other folks.
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:29 pm
The semiofficial excuse for her prolonged absence was that she WAS getting some help. Obviously that hasn't worked. It's one thing to be an excessive drinker, but when that repeatedly combines with police conflicts, that's time to get serious about it. She doesn't represent her district (at least I hope not) by such behavior. It's clear she's NOT getting the message that it's unacceptable behavior.
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:36 pm
so do some of you jagoffs think only black people live in the ghetto or hood? ever hear of frog hollar. mars hill, stringtown, the gardens, the valley? those are just a few of the predominately white “ghettos” right here in Indy.
October 22nd, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Anji, you're just wrong. I agree Mrs. M-M needs to either get the help she needs or get off the council (or probably both). I object–and so should you–to the method by which we communicate those thoughts. There's no need to put objectionable modifiers with someone's name, such as, for instance, if I called you a stupid poster. Or a negative term to describe your gender, race, or background. If you've done something stupid, the action alone needs to be called out–not the identifying demographics. Unless you've got a couple of degrees in sociology.
I learned a new word tonight. Jagoff. Any time I learn a new word it's not a lost cause.
I have a great councilwoman representing me. It's not Mrs. M-M. It's someone with whom I disagree sometimes, but she always seeks out constituent views and does her best to represent us well.
If I were a constituent of Mrs. M-M, I'd probably demand that she step up or step aside. Yesterday.
And I keep wondering about these IMPD interactions. If she truly interfered, that's a Class C misdemeanor. She should've been cited.
October 22nd, 2009 at 9:54 pm
I, for one, hope Ms. Minton-McNeil gets her life together at all costs. I also hope that this district can find and settle on a Councillor that will represent their interests. If they can't find that with Minton-McNeil, then they need to look elsewhere when possible.
October 22nd, 2009 at 10:09 pm
First of all, DMM represents a diverse district with many whites in it. She represents almost all of the downtown renovation district which is majority white. Why do some people always want to break a situation down into a racial situation? It race is a factor in a situation then it should be stated. I see no way that race plays into this topic of behavior, alleged behavior or misreported behavior. I am white and my councilor is DMM and she has represented my mostly white neighborhood well. I hope that whatever her problem is that she gets it worked out and back on the council. We need her there.
October 22nd, 2009 at 11:03 pm
You've just made my next point for me, 'Fact' Checker. And the point is that idiocy knows no color.
You think Minton-McNeil's representation has served you well, do ya? Are you a drunken idiot as well? Maybe you'll change your mind when she runs over a loved-one of yours while in a drunken stupor. A bucket of sand could represent you better in the CCC, but you're too stupid to know it. God love ya!
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:55 am
Sure, I'll remind you of your “objectionable modifiers” and this other mess the next time you go off on a hateful tangent of Bush, Cheney, Palin, etc.
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:20 am
Anji–the specific hateful modifiers I've used for them are, for the record:
Bush: first anfd foremost, President Bush, secondly, something like “least intellectually curious president ever.”
Cheney: War criminal.
Palin: Criminally stupid. Quitter. Over-hyped. Under-qualified.
You didn't mention a few others, so I'll save you some time: Condi Rice–unindicted co-conspirator. Colin Powell–Sad puppet. And, to be fair, Bart Peterson–too dependent on gatekeepers.
Rico, just for giggles, who's your councilperson?
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:43 am
“possible” should be NOW! The election is two years away.
Jon, is Ed Tracy going to let the folks in MM's district twist in the wind for two more years?
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:21 pm
I just think everyone needs to quit looking for reasons to be offended, on behalf of themselves or others. As a society we've gotten a bit too sensitive and “politically correct”. I'm not saying we shouldn't be sensitive to what is said, but sometimes the people most offended aren't the ones being discussed.
Too Short made a song called “I Wish” that uses both terms “Ghetto” and “hood rats”, it got radio play even and was popular …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ip1Luw_WQc
…should we all be offended? Nah. Sticks and stones and all.
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:25 pm
At the end of the day our politicians have a job to do and what goes on their private lives, whatever challenges or issues they have to deal with so long as it doesn't interfere with their job performance, should be their business.
We should care more about how they vote than anything else.
Now, in this case, it sounds like there may be an unfortunate situation that is affecting the job performance or perhaps embarrassing the council body as a whole. In that case, it is appropriate for them or the electorate to do what is appropriately in their power to rectify the situation.
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Come on Ernie… let it go! One less Democrat actually voting. You should like that. ;-) Heck, if only they all would stop voting for stuff all the way up the chain to the Federal level … they could all do so much less harm that way. ;-)
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Through August 2009 Minton-McNeil would have been in the top 5 councilors from a voting record perspective; however, she missed 2 of 9 critical votes used in the calculation.
She voted against the tax increase, against 1st Amendment restrictions, against sewer fee increases, against transferring money to the state for services that were not properly specified in detail and were associated with an unfunded mandate.
She was absent for the crime prevention grants vote and to rectify an issue with firearms rights on public waterways.
Up through August 2009, Barb Malone (R – at large) had missed more of the critical votes used in the analysis (4 out of 9) than any other councilor. Any year-end analysis will undoubtedly move MM to the top of the Absent list.
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:04 pm
She has a substance abuse problem. Sadly, she is a reflection of the people that voted for her.
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Council members being absent for legitimate health reasons, that's one thing. But her excuse is wearing thin.
Guest, if you really think she's a reflection of those who voted for her, you obviously know nothing about them. I know many of them, and they're miffed. Big time.
Stop with the sweeping generalities.
October 23rd, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Sure, they're miffed. And they're miffed about their kids being killed in the streets, and their homes being burglarized. Yet they continue to vote for those who have no intention of improving the situation. They continue to hang their hopes on elected officials who portray people like Minton-McNeil as victims. Some folks need to wake up.
October 24th, 2009 at 1:30 am
Are you kidding the way politics are these days she is due to run for a seat higher than what she holds now. Get with it!
October 24th, 2009 at 6:29 am
Nobody voted for her. She was appointed. She is a reflection of those who appointed her.
October 24th, 2009 at 7:13 am
OK, John Howard, here's a quick lesson in elected officials who get there via unorthodox methods:
“Appointed”–not elected by anyone or any entity that's elected. As in, George W. Bush was appointed president by the Supreme Court.
Mrs. M-M: elected by precinct committeepersons, who are (mostly) elected by voters.
Both parties have this precinct caucus system when vacancies occur. It's state statute. For instance, GOP committeepersons just selected Mr. Schneider over Mr. Vaughan and others for Theresa Lubbers's old seat.
So, Mrs. M-M's council seat is a direct descendent of voters' will. After her recent difficulties, I'd be very surprised if they'd vote for her again.
October 24th, 2009 at 9:03 am
Sean I do like it…but I just can't help myself.
October 24th, 2009 at 9:06 am
She was hand picked by Andre Carson. I don't care for the mans politics but he isn't a boozer and he doesn't interfere with LEO's.
October 24th, 2009 at 11:55 am
The U.S. Supreme Court merely stopped the Florida Supreme Court from allowing countless recounts until they obtained their desired result. Are you really that stupid? Each independent recount gave Florida to Bush. And that is a fact! Bush won Florida despite the fact that your friends in the national media called the state for Gore before those in the panhandle were even done voting. Get over it, (sore)loser!
October 24th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
At her worst, DMM has a better record than Ryan Vaughn who is a puppet for his law firm and has so many conflicts of interest in votes he casts that he should consider resigning.
Rico, I see that you still are attemtping to build your self esteem by name calling and insults. Some things never change.
October 24th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
She was NOT voted in by her constituents, which is the essential point. You yourself point out she's not 'a reflection of those who voted for her.' Call it 'appointed' or call it 'voted,' she was whisked into the chair by backroom dealing, not through direct selection by the constituency.
At least Mr. Schneider doesn't go on benders and get in the way of the police every couple of months. Not at all, in fact.
Maybe the PCs made an excellent choice in selecting DMM and she simply crawled in the bottle due to all the pressures of the job. Or maybe she was never fit for the job in the first place and they picked (oh, sorry, 'voted for') her anyway. Yeah, like this drinking problem is only a few months old.
October 24th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Rico, you're dead wrong. Again. But that's for a different post.
John Howard, I didn't mean to imply that Mr. Schneider was unfit by any means. I was just recalling the most-recent example of Republican caucus election. I know Schneider–we disagree on much, but he has tremendous integrity.
October 24th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
WHAT!
It appears TA has some egosyntonic issues with discriptive terms used properly when describing this womans behavior. Anyone coming to her defense while parsing over the use of decsriptives is simply making a weak attempt at changing the focus of the argument.
This woman is in fact a “Hot Ghetto Mess” and should be forcably removed from what was a noble office that has been routinely and regularly denigrated by her and those of her ilk.
Good job Abdul! This needed to be said. Clearly those making accuses for this woman are hopelessly in the minority. No pun intended.
October 25th, 2009 at 12:03 am
The AMA and the NIH consider alcoholism a disease. If that is the reason for her absences as some on here claim then she is legitimately absent according to your own statement. I have no reason to believe or disbelieve that she is suffering from alcoholism. I am not her doctor. I do not have access to her private medical records and I don't want access to her private medical records.
October 25th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
I heard a rumor…DMM will be at the CCC meeting Monday night. She will abstain from voting on the smoking band. I don't know why. I also heard that she has been on a LOA from her day job too. Is she ready to return to both the council and the day job? Time will tell…I'll give her sixty days before she is nose to nose with a LEO again.
October 26th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Finally,
Some needs to ask the question before you write negative info about somebody that is not true. I am a neighborhood prsident and I was there when the incident took place because Ms. McNeill called several of us to be in the audience when the TV cameras arrived because she knew this type of false reporting would take place to demean her. This woman is medically ill and is nol a ghetto. or an alcoholic. SHAME ON ALL OF YOU – HOW CAN WE BELIEVE YOU – IF SHE HAD GETTO BEHAVIOR, PROVE AND WE AS NEIGHBORHOOD PRESIDENTS WHO WERE PRESENT KNOW THAT YOU ARE LYING ON THIS LADY. SHE THOUGHT ONE OF HER FAMILY WAS CAUGHT UP IN THAT – WE WERE THERE -WHAT ABOUT YOU AND ALL OF THOSE WHO SAY NEGATIVE STATEMENTS WHEN THEY DON'T KNOW THE TURTH. WE WERE TOLD WHY ALL THE FALSE REPORTING – SOMEBODY WHO CAN'T BEAT HER AT THE POLLS MUST MUDDY HER
UP.
SHAME! SHAME ON ALL OF YOU WHO ARE SUPPOSE TO BE GOD FEARING INDIANAPOLIS PEOPLE – LET A LIFE AND LEAVE THIS WOMAN ALONE!!! YOU WHO WRITE WHAT YOU KNOW KNOW ARE WORSE.
October 26th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
DO YOU KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE? IF NOT SHUT UP!!
October 26th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
CAN YOU PROVE THT THIS IS TRUE? IF NOT HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT? PLEASE!!
October 26th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
HOOD RAT? I GUESS IT TAKES ONE TO KNOW ONE RIGHT?
October 26th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
FINALLY, SOMEBODY WHO SPEAK WITH SOME SENSE. THANK YOU!!
October 26th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Now, please tell me how you know that she is in rehab. Once again you speak with forked big mouth. You people must get paid to make all of these false statements. PLEASE GET A REAL LIFE.
October 26th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
With all of these comments it is clear that IMPD is badgering Ms. McNeill. If you are talking about the incident that happend last week, I am a neighborhood president and I was there. Ms. McNeill nephews who came to check on her prior to the shooting of 49 rounds, she seen a body lying in the street and went to make sure, it was not one of her family members. Yes she is sick but you let one of your children be caught up in a random shooting and I sure you would go to the secene — sick or not. We know you all are trying to muddy her up for sure now because she called us to the scene before coming out off the house because she knew that there would be negative reporting – SOMEBODY'S CHILD DIED PEOPLE — Why haven't I heard about that. If all we have time for is watching what Ms. McNeill the we need a life. WHEN HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ANY POLITICIAN REPORTED ON IN THIS MANNER??? Please somebody with some smarts tell. These are personal attacks on this lady who has done nothing but help her community. I have known her for many years and prior to her becoming a polititian, you did not know she was here. Think about what is being said? If this is the only news we can get, then we are in trouble. Tell me what's happening with solving crime, educational problems, homeless, etc. COME ON PEOPLE. OUR CITY WILL NEVER BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO DON'T HAVE THE FACTS
October 26th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Do you know this to be true – who told you she was getting help?All that we have heard is that she was out ill – what do you know has repeately happen as far as she being an excesive drinker – never has she been arrested for it. Where are you gettnyour facts? if she has unacceptable behavior then why hasn't she been arrested for unacceptabl behavior. You are making false statements and you should be ashamed of yourself. SHOW ME THE PROOF!!!!
October 26th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
I know she's missed two months of meetings. That's public record.
I know what was in the non-drinking police officer's report. That's public record.
October 26th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
SHOW ME THE PROOF THAT MS. MCNEILL IS A BAD PERSON. JUST THINK ABOUT IT – WHAT IS THERE THAT YOU HAVE FOR PROOF THAT WILL CAUSE YOU TO SAY SUCH THINGS ABOUT SOMEBODY — SHOW ME THE PROOF
October 26th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Ernie, Ernie, Ernie, Poor Ernie.
Do you have proof that she is a bad person or did you just hear it from somebody? Ernie, don't do that. I know you are a better man then that.
October 26th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Well then she has been having some of the damnedest bad luck of anyone I have ever heard of.
If you know where she has been and what she's been doing, spill the beans. Set the record straight. Public officeholders that just drop out of sight for 2+ months isn't normal, isn't acceptable and isn't fair to those whom they are supposed to be representing.
October 26th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
I repeat and I hope that all of my replys other then Ernie's are going through. Tell me what you know and how you know what you have stated above — especailly that fact of her drinking. I've known her for many years and I don't know that she has a drinking problem – somebody out there are making personal attacks on this lady. Has she ever been arrested for drinking even when she was arrested and the officer said she was drinking there were no charges filed for drinking – if she acted inappropriated for drinking whern she thought one of her nephes could have been shoot by random gun fire. Let one of your children be caught up and see what you would do. We love and support her , it's all of you who are not giving her a fair chance. once, again – if she acted out of order -SHOW ME THE PROOF!!! OTHERWISE SHOUT YOUR MOUTH — BECASUE I WAS THERE AND I KNOW THT ONCE, AGAIN THE MEDIA HAS LIED OON HER – WE AS NEIGHBORHOOD PRESIDENTS WILL BE PRESENT TO START CONFIRMING THIS.
October 26th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
And please tell me how you know this to be true? What proof do you have? Please tell me before making these typs of statements PLEASE
October 26th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Well, Mr. Stewart, you've been a busy soul, haven't you?
Don't let these folks get you down–but, you have to admit, there are several events which demand a public explanation if the person involved is an elected public official.
I don't know if she's a drunk. Don't know if she's ill, except that the council minority leader has publicly announced that, without retraction from Mrs. M-M, so it is assumed to be true.
Here's what we do know: she's missed many emetings. She was involved in two separate police incidents. That district has a history of bad representation. And she was elected not by the public, but by precinct committeepersons.
I admire your defense of a friend. But she needs to speak up for herself sometime very soon. If that speaking up is an explanation of illness, so be it.
I'm going to go to the meeting now…I hear there's a smokin' hot band playin…at least that's what Ernie says….
October 26th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
I wonder why the media would waste its valuable time singling out one person at random for persecution. I look forward to her presenting herself and setting the record straight.
Oops, she's missed another council meeting.
October 27th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Charlie she was appointed to serve…she isn't.
She has been driving her car under the influence.
She has been assaulting LEO's and her neighbors.
Sanders stated she was getting medical help rehab should be included in any medical help she is seeking.
And you supporting her criminal actions is enabling.
I don't care what you are President of …DMM needs to go.
October 27th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Who in the hell are you to try and put words into my mouth? Charlie don't put words in my mouth. The words…she is a bad person has never been posted by me. I did post however that its obvious that she has a drinking problem and she is disrespectful of OUR LEO's and guess what she has and she is.
October 27th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
The real show was after the meeting when the red shirts went nose to nose with the green shirts.
October 27th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Are you nuts or what.
October 27th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Once again Ernie everything that you are accusing her of please tell me why she was not arrested. You people are lying on this lady. Please tell me how you know she is driving under the influence; please tell me how you know she has assaulted LEO's and her neighbors. How can you muddy this lady without any proof? We as neighborhood presidents don't support criminal action and that is why she felt it necessary to call several of us because she knew there would be false reporting. WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?? I don't know how many ways we can ask this question. There are behaviors in our community then is less than professional on our law enforcers. You all are messing with her because she has been known to stand. You write this stuff who is feeding you these lies? COME ON PEOPLE DO YOU NOT SEE WHAT WE SEE. tHEY ARE OUT TO KILL THIS LADY. YOU ARE THE ONES WHO NEED REHAB. WE SUPPORT DORIS MINTON MCNEILL
October 27th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Melyssa, you are right she has missed some meetings. SHE IS MEDICALLY ILL. Please do your research because there have been members who have missed more than she has and there was not breaking 24/7 news as it was with her when she talk to the media. We have much more important issues in this city like crime, homelessness, etc. for instance. What is the real story her.
Now, about that police report – Oh, police don't lie right? I thought so. Let for on important matter and not somebody who is sick – you were right – in the report – why not in the arrest record. COME ON PEOPLE!!
October 27th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
You are so right – she has had some of the damedest bad luck. The lady is medically ill and I hope you can understand with all that has been said about her and there is no proof, no matter what she says they will turn it in to what they want it to say – that has already been proven. I can tell you that she is sick and she has not been in rehab for drinking. That is why this is so sad. Wow!!
October 27th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Melyssa, you are right she has missed some meetings. SHE IS MEDICALLY ILL. Please do your research because there have been members who have missed more than she has and there was not breaking 24/7 news as it was with her when she talk to the media. We have much more important issues in this city like crime, homelessness, etc. for instance. What is the real story her.
Now, about that police report – Oh, police don't lie right? I thought so. Let for on important matter and not somebody who is sick – you were right – in the report – why not in the arrest record. COME ON PEOPLE!!
October 27th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
No, are you? Can't answer can you? WHERE IS THE PROOF?? COME ON PEOPLE – HELP US UNDERSTAND!!
October 27th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Once again everything that you are accusing her of please tell me why she was not arrested. You people are lying on this lady. Please tell me how you know she is driving under the influence; please tell me how you know she has assaulted LEO's and her neighbors. How can you muddy this lady without any proof? We as neighborhood presidents don't support criminal action and that is why she felt it necessary to call several of us because she knew there would be false reporting. WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?? I don't know how many ways we can ask this question. There are behaviors in our community that is less than professional on our law enforcer’s part too. You all are messing with her because she has been known to stand. You write this stuff who is feeding you these lies?
There is no way that Doris Minton McNeill was out of order with as many TV cameras there – please tell me why she was not flashed – I know because your reporting is a LIE — she was not flashed on breaking news 24/7 like the media has been known to do. She is on the news while we have homeless, crimes, etc. Why haven't we heard what the police are doing to solve crime in our neighborhood or the mayor and governor to solve homelessness? Something is real wrong here people and it is not Doris Minton McNeill. We have never seen anybody portrayed in this manner by the media. Please tell us what’s the real story here? I can name a few who have done a lot more this miss a meeting and it was not breaking news. Lord help us if this is what we have stooped to.
October 27th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Well, Ernie, you are right that was a poor choice of words but you see you are say what you heard and not what you know and that is where the problem comes in. How do you know she has a drinking problem – oh, don't tell – I know. It was in the report right. Again, you write what you heard and not what you know to be true. This is very sad
October 27th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
You know – you are right. I am just sick and tried of being sick and tried of what is happening to this lady. She had done nothing but help people. With everything that has been said about her and we have not seen any proof — only what in police reports – trust there was a reason that she was found not guilty and you see the evidence that was presented you would have a better understanding. It was not because she and the judge was from the same party – order the transcript and you will see that the cops could not get their story together – then look at where the female cop who said she was pushed against the house was standing. There is no way that could have happened and she in her own testimony said she was standing where she was and if she was injured only God Himself could have done it because she was not even near the house. These are facts that I know to be true because I was in court and seen the pictures. Order the transcript of the trail and you will see why we are so upset.
Adul should be ashamed ” Hot Ghetto Mess?” Oh well – this is a paid job for him by any mean necessary. This is sad!!
October 27th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
John,
My point exactely: I wonder why the media would waste it valuable time singling out one person at random for persecution. Because that what they have done – do your research – ask her neighbors. We have far more important issues that are city is faced with then to waste valuable time: Hey when the last time you addressed the issue of crime; homelessness, etc. Come on People – We are all too big for this mess. At least, I would think.
October 27th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
You just don't get it. It's not 'persecution,' it's observation and numerous unanswered questions. It would carry a lot more weight if DMM would make her own statements. Publicly. Without a 3rd party filter. Why not? Unless she's on her deathbed, it shouldn't be hard to do. Stand up and put the allegations to rest instead of avoiding them.
October 28th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Oh sure…*I'm* the one with drunken encounters with the police and court dates….please! Get to steppin
October 28th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
She WAS arrested.
She pissed her pants on the way to jail.
No one is trying to kill DMM and if you truly think so then you are NUTS!
October 28th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
It's three months of meetings now.
October 28th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Charlie I know one thing that is a FACT…I have a better attendance record at CCC meetings then DMM.
October 28th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Charlie if DMM isn't at the next CCC meeting you will see me sitting right behind the council President holding a small sign that will read “where's DMM” for all in TV land to see.
October 28th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Do you see what I mean? All these drunken encounters that you keep mentioning and no arrest? Oh, no the police don't lie right?
Cleared in court. You need to get a life
October 28th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
You are right, indyernie, she was arrested on a false charge and cleared in court right? I will repeat — purchase the transcript of the trail and you will see for yourself that the cops could not keep their story straight. Be sure to look at the picture that show where the female cop was standing — no where near the house — I seen it, I was in court. I just don't remember seeing you their. I almost forgot the even introduced a 911 tape of a foul mouth person that was not even Doris Minton McNeill – I don't know where they got the tape from but this is just one more example of trying to make her look bad – the tape that they tried to say was hers was worse than anything she said.
Oh, yea, they told you she pissed her pants to right? Man you are the NUT if you believe everything you read and see on the news. You know that as well as I do. Please report FACTS
October 28th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
She is ill and has the proof to prove it.
What part of this didn[t you understand. She can't control nature. Can you? If so, please let us know how.
October 28th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Now if this is true about Ms. Malone, has she been highlighted in the same manner as McNeill? People get a life or concentrate on crime, homelessness, infastructure problems in our community, hunger, etc. What is wrong with this picture?? Lord help us.
October 28th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
John yes, I get it very well. When she tried to answer the questions made a mountain out of a mole hill. I live near her. Channel 6,. 59, 8, 13 camped out in front of my house for 3 days. During that time we had a break-in of another neighbors home — all of that went unnotice by the media.
Please know that I usually don't repond nor read these but when I was told what was reported on Doris Minton McNeill after the random shooting, I was outraged because I am a neighborhood association president and I was there. It was a lie. I was also in court with her when they tried to present a tape of a foul mouth person who was not even her. If there is another tape that they are trying to present it has be sliced — I now have a hard time beliving the police and the media. This poor woman called all of us and told us to be present in case there was false reporting and I be DAMMED IF THEY DIDN'T DO AS SHE SUPECTED — DORIS THANK GOD YOU COVERED YOUR SELF.
You are right and the unanswered questions will ber answered very soon. Until then that does not give anybody the right to muddy a person. Would you like it if it were you? I don't think so.
October 28th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Now we are talking!! Something you know. Not what you heard but what you know. However, we will never know.
October 28th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
OK, then we need to attend that meeting to defend her all 265 plus all of our church members. The lady is ill, not do you want to cause this kind of attention to our city?
October 28th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
No, she was not hand picked by Andre Carson. She was picked based on the content of her character and the good works that she had done for so many people in the community. This reminds me of Michael Jackson situation.
October 28th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Yes, she was arrested and cleared in court. I repeat, get the court transcript and it will be clear to you why they judge made her decision. The cops could not get their story straight.
Oh, yea, the same cops who told you she pissed, I’m sure. Please! If you believe everything that you read and hear in the media, they you are ‘NUTS.” You know it and I know it.
October 28th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
91 comments in 6 days…that's a lot. Some of us multiple times, but still…there is intense interst in this situation.
I think Mr. Charlie is onto something regarding the zeal for which folks go after this woman. The public is owed an explanation about her condition. If she's ill, so be it. She just needs to step up and tell us. She's paid by the taxpayers for this part-time job, and pretty well at that.
Ernie, your signs stopped being funny a long time ago.
October 28th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Mr. Stewart,
I sincerely hope you aren't just trolling us and think you're defending your friend. However, we have no way to verify who you are and Ms. Minton-McNeill has given no explanation to her absence. People are generally forgiving, and if she actually is receiving medical treatment, I don't know why anyone would hide that. Just come out and say so, and say she'll be back at around X date. But her continued silence causes people to jump to conclusions, and I can't say I blame them.
October 28th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Of course I mean Mcneill herself or a spokesperson, not a random Internet user.
October 28th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
I was told she pissed her pants by someone who would know. The person had no reason to lie.
Her neighbors were interviewed they stated that she has a fowl mouth and that she used it on the officers.
You don't think that I should believe the officers (I know several who were there), I shouldn't believe the media and I shouldn't believe her neighbors…I should believe and trust in you?…right!
She beat the rap because she got the luck of the draw and because of political connections…period.
October 28th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
If there is a nut here its you. Dont don't get excited by someone clicking that they liked what you posted…. I'm the one who clicked it because I thought it was amusing that someone would be dumb enough to think DMM was innocent.
October 28th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
TA I don't think a sign in the chamber is funny. I agree with you the citizens of Indy are due an explanation. Mr. Stewart needs to express that message to DMM.
October 28th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
What Mr. Stewart doesn't understand that DMM being in that seat is a concern to a lot of the citizens.
Patrice ran for reelection when he was no longer a resident.
Andre Carson was appointed to the seat to boost his resume.
Then DMM is appointed and she has fallen flat on her face and isn't representing the district.
If someone would take that district seriously and represent the citizens in that district the attention would go away.'t
October 29th, 2009 at 10:51 am
LOL – I need to get a life? You're the one on here acting like this chick's personal attorney, jumping on anyone who even remotely has a different opinion. If someone is truly keeping it clean, they should never have ANY drama with the police, period. Look, it's cool that you obviously have a great deal of personal affection for this lady. But if it gets you this worked up, you should probably avoid trolling for blogs where people may not share your same opinion. Peace.
October 29th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Matthew,
Did the majority leader not announce that she was on a medical leave? Yes, she did. At that point, all “hell broke lose with the media. She knows her responsiblity and takes it very seriously otherwise she would not had accepted this responsiblity. The leader said that she was on a medical and all the bloggers said that she was in rehab based on what the Northwest District Police had reported on her.
Now, is this not the same district that indicted an honored officer for lying. I don't mean no harm because I am a God fearing person and I don't believe two wrong make a right, but Major Ciesielski needs to take a closer look at his officers or be fired.
October 29th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Yes, she understands and will explain.
Did the majority leader not announce that she was on a medical leave? Yes, she did. At that point, all “hell” broke lose with the media. She knows her responsiblity and takes it very seriously otherwise she would not had accepted this responsiblity. The leader said that she was on a medical and all the bloggers said that she was in rehab based on what the Northwest District Police had reported on her.
Now, is this not the same police district that indicted an honored officer for lying, that has been accusing McNeill? I don't mean any harm because I am a God fearing person and I don't believe two wrongs make a right, but Major Ciesielski needs to take a closer look at his officers or be fired.
October 29th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Thank you Think Again, she is medically ill and is getting some help as you suggested but look at what a mess this is. You are so right about your following statement: “And for God's sake she needs to never travel alone or bother an IMPD officer until this situation is settled. Even if she has a legitimate, sane IMPD encounter, it could be subject to misleading accusations. Or truthful ones…”
The above mention is the reason she called neighborhood presidents to the scene last week. She knew there would be false reporting. We were there and we did not see what was reported via. media.
This is very sad.
October 29th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Now IndyErnie — Calm down. It is not that deep. You called me a “Nut” first. Right? You are innocent until proven guilty – if they court of law says she is innocent – please tell me how you can not when you really don't know her — only what you have heard about her — keep in mind — from officers from the same district that are indicting officers for lying.
Oh, that right, you believe everything the officers say to you right? ERNIE!!
October 29th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Charlie it was the minority leader, the democrats lost control remember?
I have more faith in our LEO's than I will ever have in an abusive drunk who happens to be in office.
I bet you think OJ didn't do the deed either…the police went after him too…right?
Jeez…
October 29th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Abdul, will you end this please.
October 29th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Abdul, will you end this please.
October 29th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Abdul, when it gets to the OJ card, you've got to cut it off.
Please.
October 29th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Medical leave tells us almost nothing. That can range from anything from “a cold” to long term outpatient counciling/recovery to post op of various surgeries. City-County Council is a part time job, so it's no one's primary source of income. District 15 needs representation, and right now (and for 9 weeks) doesn't have any.
Yes, it's great that the minority leader gave us a “BTW” update. But short of being in a coma, I don't see why Minton-McNeill can't issue something herself.
I'm not intimately familiar with city-council procedure on if a temporary replacement can be appointed, but a district has been non-represented for 9 weeks. Something needs to be done.
October 29th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
show me the proof that she is a good person and not the drunken foul mouthed nut job that I've seen. You and her have really represented the neighborhood well. under your leadership the neighbor hood is worse than ever.
October 29th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
I know She's a drunk. I see her buying booze every sunday at the bootlegger at 11th and elder.
And charlie just cause cause some one is found not guilty does't mean they are innocent. That ruling was just political favoritism.
October 29th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
I'm pretty confident that Ernie trusts the word of the people he knows as well as you trust the word of people you say know DMM.
October 29th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Wacky graffiti painted on the intersection of 21st and Medford
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=e...
October 30th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Well by now you should have a picture to prove, RIGHT? Oh, I thought so. You know that you are, once again, lying.
Get the transcript and see for yourself. Political favoritism – yea, right!! GET THE TRANSCRIPT AND PICTURES
October 30th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Oh, now you are ready to end this. It should have never started unless you could prove what you were saying and since you can't, you are ready to stop. You are too much!! You muddy this person with no just cause. By the way and for your information, I think OJ got away with murder.
You are talking about somebodys life and the life of their entire family. Let you be wrongly accused and see how you like.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
If you did, I will ask her to call the police to find out who you are and have you arrested.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Get the transcript and see for yourself. What's the matter? Scared of the “TRUTH.” Or you can't read?
October 30th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Good IndyE — you got this one right.
Once again you have no proof of her being an abusive drunk – do you?
For your info, I think OJ got away with murder.
You need to stop doing a hatchett job on people unless you can prove your case, Jeez… is right.
October 30th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
I repeat, GET THE TRANSCRIPT!!
October 30th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
You say that you have seen it, then you produce the proof. Our neighborhoods have been in trouble every since the boundry changed to the Northwest District.
I understand the same lady police officer also accused another mother of battering her and lost that case too. When will we stop this foolishness? This lady did not get to were she is by being a drunken foul mouth nut job, you dummy. Look at me acting like you. So sorry.
October 30th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Charlie DMM got away with something too.
October 30th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
I think Charlie and DMM may be one and the same.
October 30th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Got a photo? Charlie.
October 30th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Get real Chuck. This is a google maps photo from probably two years ago. And please get that thorazine prescription refilled ASAP.
October 30th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Besides, you don't REALLY want DMM calling the police do you? She'll likely just end up in another of those imaginary confrontations where they persecute/prosecute her for 'no reason.' Right?
October 30th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Oh, we can read. And most of us can consistently string together grammatically-correct sentences, too.
October 31st, 2009 at 6:26 am
I will personally vouch for Ernie that in the past several months this is true. He is a frequent fixture at CCC meetings and I always enjoy running into him…
…even when he's yelling at me about how Libertarians are going to get people killed because we think standing on a street corner holding a sign is not as evil as elected officials just handing over millions of dollars to private interests. ;-)
October 31st, 2009 at 9:13 pm
I've seen her act like an idiot many time. every time drunk off he can. and your even a bigger idiot or just blinded by your idiology. peole like you and her keep all off us down. keep protraying us as dumb ghetto morons that can't think for ourselves. poor ol us being held down by the man. the police always lockin us up for no good reason. jessie and al said so so we believe every idiotic thing that they say. no matter how corrupt. we'll keep defending our representative no matter how bad she acts just cause she's black. I will give you that she didn't get where she is by being a drunkin foul mouth nut job. she got there by being tight with the political machine that leads you by the nose. but, being a drunken foul mouth idiot will be her down fall.
quit blaming others for her behavior. quit blaming that female officer. I think she does an excellent job especially given the knuckleheads she deals with. knuckle heads that our community protects and thinks it's just because the police have it out for them. evrytime they try and do their jobs, (trying to help us make the neighborhood better) M-M shows up running her mouth when she doesn't even know what's goin on. one day our people will finally wake up and see that you and yours tired speeches, tactics, and thinking set us back decades. i hope that day comes soon before it's too late. at no time have we had it better. at no time have we had more opportunity. there are problems, but nothing like 50 years ago. you need to be a big boy, open your eyes, and think. quit being a puppet.
October 31st, 2009 at 9:13 pm
I've seen her act like an idiot many time. every time drunk off he can. and your even a bigger idiot or just blinded by your idiology. peole like you and her keep all off us down. keep protraying us as dumb ghetto morons that can't think for ourselves. poor ol us being held down by the man. the police always lockin us up for no good reason. jessie and al said so so we believe every idiotic thing that they say. no matter how corrupt. we'll keep defending our representative no matter how bad she acts just cause she's black. I will give you that she didn't get where she is by being a drunkin foul mouth nut job. she got there by being tight with the political machine that leads you by the nose. but, being a drunken foul mouth idiot will be her down fall.
quit blaming others for her behavior. quit blaming that female officer. I think she does an excellent job especially given the knuckleheads she deals with. knuckle heads that our community protects and thinks it's just because the police have it out for them. evrytime they try and do their jobs, (trying to help us make the neighborhood better) M-M shows up running her mouth when she doesn't even know what's goin on. one day our people will finally wake up and see that you and yours tired speeches, tactics, and thinking set us back decades. i hope that day comes soon before it's too late. at no time have we had it better. at no time have we had more opportunity. there are problems, but nothing like 50 years ago. you need to be a big boy, open your eyes, and think. quit being a puppet.
October 31st, 2009 at 9:21 pm
what evidence do you have stewartcharlie. where's the proof. call the police? you both hate the police. cry baby.
November 1st, 2009 at 2:13 am
I've seen her act like an idiot many time. every time drunk off he can. and your even a bigger idiot or just blinded by your idiology. peole like you and her keep all off us down. keep protraying us as dumb ghetto morons that can't think for ourselves. poor ol us being held down by the man. the police always lockin us up for no good reason. jessie and al said so so we believe every idiotic thing that they say. no matter how corrupt. we'll keep defending our representative no matter how bad she acts just cause she's black. I will give you that she didn't get where she is by being a drunkin foul mouth nut job. she got there by being tight with the political machine that leads you by the nose. but, being a drunken foul mouth idiot will be her down fall.
quit blaming others for her behavior. quit blaming that female officer. I think she does an excellent job especially given the knuckleheads she deals with. knuckle heads that our community protects and thinks it's just because the police have it out for them. evrytime they try and do their jobs, (trying to help us make the neighborhood better) M-M shows up running her mouth when she doesn't even know what's goin on. one day our people will finally wake up and see that you and yours tired speeches, tactics, and thinking set us back decades. i hope that day comes soon before it's too late. at no time have we had it better. at no time have we had more opportunity. there are problems, but nothing like 50 years ago. you need to be a big boy, open your eyes, and think. quit being a puppet.
November 1st, 2009 at 2:13 am
I've seen her act like an idiot many time. every time drunk off he can. and your even a bigger idiot or just blinded by your idiology. peole like you and her keep all off us down. keep protraying us as dumb ghetto morons that can't think for ourselves. poor ol us being held down by the man. the police always lockin us up for no good reason. jessie and al said so so we believe every idiotic thing that they say. no matter how corrupt. we'll keep defending our representative no matter how bad she acts just cause she's black. I will give you that she didn't get where she is by being a drunkin foul mouth nut job. she got there by being tight with the political machine that leads you by the nose. but, being a drunken foul mouth idiot will be her down fall.
quit blaming others for her behavior. quit blaming that female officer. I think she does an excellent job especially given the knuckleheads she deals with. knuckle heads that our community protects and thinks it's just because the police have it out for them. evrytime they try and do their jobs, (trying to help us make the neighborhood better) M-M shows up running her mouth when she doesn't even know what's goin on. one day our people will finally wake up and see that you and yours tired speeches, tactics, and thinking set us back decades. i hope that day comes soon before it's too late. at no time have we had it better. at no time have we had more opportunity. there are problems, but nothing like 50 years ago. you need to be a big boy, open your eyes, and think. quit being a puppet.
November 1st, 2009 at 2:21 am
what evidence do you have stewartcharlie. where's the proof. call the police? you both hate the police. cry baby.