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Apparently, It’s Not Just Andre

I recently wrote about a behind the scenes feud between 7th District Democratic Congressman Andre Carson and Marion County Democratic Chairman Ed Treacy.  To put it mildly, the two don’t apparently see eye and would gladly get rid of the other one should the opportunity ever present itself.  Well, less than 24 hours after that blog post appeared I got word that another very prominent Marion County Democrat has some issues with the current Chairman as well. That Democrat is mayoral candidate Melina Kennedy.

According to my reliable sources, Kennedy and Tracey’s relationship is   strained at best.  At a recent fundraising event in a private donor’s home the two didn’t speak nor as much make eye-contact with each other.  Now granted that may not mean much in the abstract, but I also discovered that the two have been at odds over quite a while since Kennedy decided not to staff her campaign with Marion County Democratic Party personnel, particularly Executive Director Adam Kirsch.  Treacy reportedly wanted Kennedy to hire Kirsch as her campaign manager, Kennedy was not crazy about that idea and I’m told “learned her lesson about Adam during her run for County Prosecutor” back in 2006.

And now there seems to be some tension over yesterday’s voter rally at City Market.  Less than three dozen Kennedy supporters and party members showed up for the rally and a number of them were voter registration staff.  Both sides are reportedly blaming each other for the low turnout.  The Kennedy camp, I’m told, believes the County party did a horrible job in getting supporters out.  The County party reportedly blames Kennedy for not being an exciting enough candidate.

And apparently, it’s not just Kennedy who has a problem with the Chairman.  There are also a lot of rank and file precinct committeemen who would like to see someone else take the helm and are just waiting for the right leader to come along.   Throw in Carson and Kennedy’s discontent toward the County Chairman and you are potentially sitting on a full mutiny.

Now I know once again, this is the part where I get accused of “making stuff up” and “living in a political fantasy world”.   However, let me make two quick points.  First, like everything else I put out I stand by what I write.  And what I write is based on conversations I have with a number of individuals and I take those conversations and put together a composite.  Are there pieces missing at times, of course there are.  But if I was ever totally off-point, as in the past, I would get a call from a surrogate telling me I was way off base and pointing out the errors of my ways.  And all of the aforementioned parties in today’s post have my number and I will let you know if any of them show up on my caller ID.

  • Varangianguard

    “…are just waiting for the right leader to come along.”, Abdul.

    “…ay, there’s the rub!”, Hamlet.

    There does seem to be a dearth of “right leaders” hanging about waiting to assume the mantle of leadership within either major party around here.

    We could blame it on the “brain drain” effect. We could blame it on the concept that only people of a certain temperament pursue such positions. We could blame it on any number of things, but to some extent relations between candidates/campaigns and party leadership is a two-way street.

    I wonder if any attempts were ever made to reconcile to each other (if true, of course)? I would posit – not.

  • Think Again

    Whomever the mayoral candidate is…

    Whomever the chairperson is…

    There is bound to be tension, or one party ignoring the other. Ask Mayor Ballard. he was virtually ignored by the party apparatus. But here’s the alternative:

    IF you let the nominee sweep out party leaders, and install his/her own, and if that candidate loses in the fall, you’re stuck with the party leaders.

    That’s exactly what the Dems used to do in the 60s and 70s statewide. And into the 80s locally. I can think of state party chairs like Jerry Miller who were perfectly nice people, but worthless at the helm. Installed by failed gubernatorial nominees.

    Get back to me Nov. 6.

    And, just for balance, when do we get the post linking the current Republican party chair, to infighting among the neocons, like Sen. Schneider, for pushing perfectly awful social legislation? it’s there–in spades. If I’ve heard it, I know you’ve heard it. Folks calling on party leaders to denounce legislative nonsense.

    (Crickets)

  • cynical sam

    “living in a political fantasy world.”

    Abdul, you finally get it. Politics is fantasy.

    Assumption #1 :
    The US is going down the crapper financially, economically, morally, culturally, internationally, militarily, and realpolitikally (new word).

    Question: Who has been “in charge” last 100+ years.

    Question 2 : Define insanity

    End of quiz.

  • cynical sam

    “living in a political fantasy world.”

    Abdul, you finally get it. Politics is fantasy.

    Assumption #1 :
    The US is going down the crapper financially, economically, morally, culturally, internationally, militarily, and realpolitikally (new word).

    Question: Who has been “in charge” last 100+ years.

    Question 2 : Define insanity

    End of quiz.

  • Wurstnitemare

    Abdul, There is little doubt that Ed can be a reak jerk wad,but the fact is that unlike Kyle Walker,Ed wins elections.It would be in her best interest to work with Ed,he has his feet on the ground while she is busy having lunch with her attorney friends who are the ones really running her election.

    To be honest, I dont see a whole lot of difference in the two organizations.Ballard and Kennedy are basicly pawns for the big law firms. Its been a long time since this city had a strong Mayor.

  • pascal

    I’ve no brief for Republicans but Senator Schneider isn’t by any stretch of stupidity properly called a neo con. Planned Parenthood is the statutory rapist’s best friend in Indiana. I think it is perfectly awful that Mitch continues to fund them and perfectly awful that the Legislature has funded them in the past. Serial child rapists love Indiana for it’s laxities in law enforcement. In addition, Senator Schneider is an entity while most folks would agree, I think, that R party chair is a non entity.

  • Indy

    your source is Jen Wagner…no one in Marion County speaks to her, no one outside of Marion County likes her. She makes stuff up like you do to feel important. She has 3 friends – 1 is a democrat at State Party and 2 are Republicans in Marion County. Find a better source. Grand Jury.

  • Abdul

    Wow!

  • Think Again

    Hmmmm. Not sure about the entity thing, but Sen. Schneider has made quite a mark for himself in this session.

    You do understand, don’t you, that there is no disputing the fact, that not one public dollar goes to abortions?

    If you want to use the same “don’t mix the funds” argument, let’s hear one for consistency: Indiana “Family Institute” gets state funds for certain programs, and then lobbies strenuously for other laws, notably HJR6.

    The hatred for PP is, mark my words, short-sighted. The care received in those clinics cannot be duplicated for the cost, in many communities. Those costs will be publicly-absorbed.

    Nose, meet face.

  • Think Again

    Hmmmm. Not sure about the entity thing, but Sen. Schneider has made quite a mark for himself in this session.

    You do understand, don’t you, that there is no disputing the fact, that not one public dollar goes to abortions?

    If you want to use the same “don’t mix the funds” argument, let’s hear one for consistency: Indiana “Family Institute” gets state funds for certain programs, and then lobbies strenuously for other laws, notably HJR6.

    The hatred for PP is, mark my words, short-sighted. The care received in those clinics cannot be duplicated for the cost, in many communities. Those costs will be publicly-absorbed.

    Nose, meet face.

  • Think Again

    Like….over 50 years.

  • Think Again

    Like….over 50 years.

  • Think Again

    I know plenty of folks who like, speak to and respect Jen. Even when she’s wrong.

  • Think Again

    I know plenty of folks who like, speak to and respect Jen. Even when she’s wrong.

  • Melyssa

    And we will keep waiting. The parties want nothing to do with a leader that puts the interests of the people ahead of party.

  • Melyssa

    She’s hateful. Once she publicly insinuated I was a whore and a prostitute. My crime? Leading my neighbors in protest of property tax bills they could not afford to pay.

  • Rico

    It should be of no surprise that Think Again’s friends respect Wagner. She’s a miserable, bitter woman!

  • Rico

    It should be of no surprise that Think Again’s friends respect Wagner. She’s a miserable, bitter woman!

  • Indy

    Jen is Abdul’s only “democratic source”. So you can take her word, and his, for what it is worth…not much in democratic party circles. Anywhere.

  • Guest

    Totally untrue for the record

  • Taxpayer 834512

    Can’t disagree. She’s got that spiteful, catty thing going on like Shelia Seuss-Kennedy. You’re not just incorrect, you smell, are slovenly, and not worthy to walk the same sidewalk with them.

    Wilson and Ernie may have minds sealed shut, but I don’t perceive them twisting the knife whenever possible anymore than Bert and Ernie. However, perception’s in the eye of the beholder.

  • indyernie

    When I first read this I though DAMM! That’s harsh. Then I thought it through and came to this conclusion. If Jen can dish it, she should be able to eat it. She’s fair game.

  • pascal

    Says who? Says PP who are known liars, serially, and otherwise for decades? Money isn’t fungible? PP is not the statutory rapist’s best friend in Indiana? Your words are not marked-there is no reason to mark them as they are headed into the same trash can.

  • Think Again

    Melyssa, each party thinks it HAS done exactly that.

    And most of the city’s voters agree. Not with one another, but with the concept.

    You just don’t get that, do you?

  • Think Again

    My words are not marked? What the heck does that mean?

    Are you drinking your supper again?

  • Noname

    I normally don’t comment or pay much attention to this blog other than morbid curiosity, but it’s a pretty big deal to allege that the likely D nominee for Mayor and Congressman for Marion County are both at odds with the sitting Chairman.

    It’s a little known secret that Abdul is about the last to know about inside baseball stuff in the city so I’m guessing that what he’s talking about must actually be common knowledge within political circles. And I find it interesting that the – assuming here – anonymous Ed Treacy defenders come on here and do not say “this is absolutely untrue Abdul and the likely nominee for Mayor/Congressman and chairman are perfectly in sync, no issues whatsoever”

    Ed Treacy, from my vantage point, seems to be unusually good at many things, especially making enemies, defending a fixed slating system, protecting his lowly-rated-by-the-defense-bar judge wife, helping nominate unqualified candidates who either leave office or are sued, obsessing about what people say about him and being chairman when people like Bart Peterson (’03), Julia Carson/Frank Anderson (’04), Barack Obama (’08) and Andre Carson (’08/’10) actually make a general election in Marion County look good. Rooster taking credit for the sunrise in my book. Or should I say, cock?

    Abdul, why don’t you clear the record and specify in more detail your democrat sources, obviously not by name but at least by position? And I would like to think you would correct any comments that are indeed untrue as you have in the past.

  • Think Again

    Rico, once again you misread and assume in error. Which is a pattern for you.

    I didn’t say they were friends. I merely indicated I knew of folks who like Jen. I did not indicate that she, or they, were friends.

    Some are, many aren’t. All are very credible, though. Bright folks.

    Apart from that: I do have many friends with whom I disagree on issues from time to time. We tend to disagree with respect and sometimes-colorful language.

    You oughta try it. Good for the soul. I assume you have a soul.

  • Think Again

    Guess is completely correct. Indy’s assertion is completely without merit in Dem circles.

    He’s certainly entitled to hold the opinion himself, even spread it. But really, Indy, you shouldn’t try putting that opinion in someone else’s mouth. Makes you look kinda, well…silly.

  • pascal

    http://www.childpredators.com/Tapes/intro.cfm Would you care to listen to Planned Parenthood lies and learn something? Would you like to put the PP leader in Indiana on the stand and let her spin away? National problem but Indiana can send these cretins back into the trash cans of history where they began and, hopefully, as they say, to Jails when they protect child rapists in the future.

  • pascal

    Here is the difficulty: Them’s what talkin ain’t them that knows, and, them that knows ain’t talkin.

  • Barnard

    makes him look kinda like, well…Abdul

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