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Sometimes, You Need to Just Stop Talking!!!

By now, you’ve heard about the firestorm caused at the second U.S. Senate debate in New Albany.  The ironic part of all this is that it could have been avoided if Richard Mourdock had just stopped talking when he was asked about his position on abortion.

I’ve dissected his statement and found several places where political disaster could have been avoided.

  1. This is that issue that every federal or state candidate faces and I too certainly  stand for life.  (Okay, that’s fine.  You can stop now.)
  2. I know there are some who disagree and I respect their point of view, but I believe that life begins at conception.  (Okay, you made your point.  Move on.)
  3. Uh, the only exception I have for an abortion is in that case of the life of the mother.  (Okay, that was necessary, but I see you point.  Close up shop right there.)
  4. I struggled with it myself for a long time but I came to realize that life is a gift from God.  (This can’t end well.)
  5.   And I think that even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape that it is something God intended to happen.  (We are so screwed!!!)

If there is one thing I have learned from talking for a living, is knowing exactly when to STFU!!!

 

 


  • Ramon

    Todd Akin lives in Indiana.

  • Nick

    I am voting against ALL politicians that feel the need to justify
    themselves and their policies by invoking God. I like our
    secular government and reject the
    zealots that seem determined to turn our government into a theocracy
    modeled on Iran.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Paul-Wheeler/1543022610 Paul Wheeler

    The phrase ‘enough is enough’ comes to mind.

  • Shemaryahu Chanoch

    The problem is that if abortion is justified by rape and incest then is it not suggesting that those people who are the children of rape or incest are somehow more evil? That they should not be allowed to live even if born? But then most progressives have long held the view that most people are human pollution and need to be euthanized. And the abortion, and forced sterilization, are legal forms of genocide in order to rid the world of the poor, the old and the sick. Eugenics has always been a progressive ideal.

  • Shemaryahu Chanoch

    So your view is that all religious people be marched into death camps? That only a hedonistic lifestyle is acceptable?

  • AWB

    >is knowing exactly when to STFU

    lol…then you’ve more learning grasshopper.

    The sage person would never allow themselves to get into a situation where shutting the frak up is an option let alone the only option.

    Not saying but I’m just saying.

  • Dave

    Jane Roe (of Roe v Wade) would have no trouble understanding what Mr. Mourdock said vs. the deliberate mischaracterization by those with an agenda. Knowing this, it would be same party candidates rushing to condemn & thereby promote continued mischaracterization, who actually “jumped the shark.”

    Those who claim genuine interest, can hear or read her own words: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/10/jane-roe-of-roe-v-wade-airs-anti-obama-ad-in-florida-video/

  • http://twitter.com/TamSlick Tamara K.

    I’m going to miss those Donnelly ads that painted Mourdock as a radical Tea Party candidate who wanted to abolish the Department of Education. “Yeah? And…?”

    It’s gonna be all-rape, all the time from here on out.

    Good job, Mourdock. The election was yours to lose, and you just guaranteed the survival of Obamacare with one lousy sentence.

  • http://twitter.com/TamSlick Tamara K.

    But… but… but… what he meant was…

    Finger point all you want to. Blame the MSM. Blame the wishy-washy RINOs that don’t have Dan’s back. Blame it on the rain. Whatever.

    None of the finger pointing changes the simple fact that his ill-considered words shot his campaign right between the eyes.

    Pretending otherwise makes you sound like one of those people still proudly displaying their faded “Gore/Lieberman” bumper sticker in the face of all reality.

  • G Square

    How on earth do you get that read from what Nick said? Keeping religion separate from government has nothing to do with death camps or hedonistic lifestyles.

  • G Square

    Abortion only needs to be justified to herself by the woman who chooses to end a pregnancy, as women have been choosing for thousands of years. The imposition of societal pressure or governmental dictates against abortion only drive it underground.
    I haven’t heard anyone advocating starting a eugenics program or ridding the world of the already born. The government does not force either abortion or sterilization. The axe you’re grinding is mighty dull.

  • G Square

    Good points. Too bad we can’t put all the candidates into a blender and make a politically nutritious smoothie that will craft some meaningful legislation and work out some compromises on state and national levels.

  • http://twitter.com/TamSlick Tamara K.

    Sorry, I kind of went to my Happy Place for a second there. Can you repeat everything you said after “put all the candidates in a blender”?

    ;)

  • Dave

    Hand wringing reflexes of same party folks, assumes “necessity” of PC as though it’s language baseline- it’s not. Understanding what Mr. Mourdock said, neither condones or condemns what he said.

  • Shemaryahu Chanoch

    Planned Parenthood was founded on the idea of eugenics (removing the weeds from society). Eugenics has always been part of the Progressive movement from the early 1900s.
    Now the college kids talk of the poor as being human pollution.

  • Shemaryahu Chanoch

    Because we have had experience with the leftwingers killing religious people. The Soviets would execute Rabbis who taught their chidren Judaism. In the French Revolution over 250,000 Jews and Catholic Priests were executed for simply being religious.
    The French Revolution has set the pattern for how the left views religion. They tried to move the week to 10 days so no one would know when Sunday (or the Sabbat) was. They started goddess worship to replace christianity. The left has always hated the religious and wants them dead.

  • pascal
  • pascal

    “…for thousands of years”? That is BS. Too, that you haven’t heard of something does not mean that it does not exist. It means only that you haven’t heard or didn’t comprehend what you did hear.

  • pascal

    It is a matter of science since codified into Indiana Law that human life begins at conception in Indiana. There was considerable informed debate over this issue and a bipartisan vote put it into Indiana Law. If one wishes to have a debate over the value of human life it won’t take long to understand that most of Indiana values human life.

  • IndyAries

    Hmmm….I understood what Mourdock meant when he made his comment. At no time did I ever believe that he intended to mean that God condoned rape, or anything else negative. I was happy this morning when it was reported that he was not going to retreat from what he said.

    I will NOT be voting for Pence…he lost my vote when he attacked Mourdock.

  • IndyAries

    Hmmm….I understood what Mourdock meant when he made his comment. At no time did I ever believe that he intended to mean that God condoned rape, or anything else negative. I was happy this morning when it was reported that he was not going to retreat from what he said.

    I will NOT be voting for Pence…he lost my vote when he attacked Mourdock.

  • Nick

    You prove my point why church and state need to be separate.

  • pascal

    I did not view Mike’s words as an attack but a distancing-each candidate has to run their own campaign. It does sorta beg the question as to just how Mike’s views might differ but as Mitch has pointed out-we have lots of other problems on our plate. I’ve no doubt that Mike, like Mitch, will sign any pro life legislation the Legislature sends him but getting Hoosiers back to work is very important too.

  • http://twitter.com/TamSlick Tamara K.

    The Hoosier legislature being a reliable go-to source on matters of science

  • http://twitter.com/TamSlick Tamara K.

    (Further, while this may indeed be a matter for the Hoosier legislature to decide, Mr. Mourdock is not contending for a seat on that august body, but rather the U.S. Senate, whose limited powers under Article 1, Section 8 he is all too willing to tout on the topics of Medicare and Social Security, and yet becomes strangely amnesiac when other topics more near and dear to his heart are brought up.

    Unless the fetus is on federal government property or drawing a fed.gov paycheck, then its cold-blooded murder is quite properly none of the federal government’s business.)

  • G Square

    OK, is the BBC impartial enough of a source for you?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/abortion/legal/history_1.shtml
    Or this one from Drury University:
    http://www.drury.edu/multinl/story.cfm?ID=9891&NLID=166
    Please note the sentence about Egyptian scrolls from 1900 BC that deal with abortion techniques that the Romans borrowed.
    There’s lots more information of use of abortion but this is a good start. Perhaps you should do some research of your own.

  • pascal

    No, the BBC isn’t good enough-not even for you. We know a lot about abortion-even the Greek doctors had an oath about it. Since then, the practice has been reviled in Western Civilization-the re introduction of pagan practices is not a matter to celebrate.

  • pascal

    Just because the Legislature once decided to alter pi to something more reasonable is no reason to mock them when unchanged science from embryology texts of 150 years ago knew exactly when human life began-same time as today.

  • Shemaryahu Chanoch

    What are you willing to compromise on? Freedom of speech? Gun rights? Abortion? Forced euthania?

  • Shemaryahu Chanoch

    No, you prove that you want to suppress religion. Especially those views of orthodox jews.

  • Unemploydemented

    Killing of religious people in history happens often, but mentioning only “leftwingers” engaging in killings neglects one major “rightwinger” killing period in history — produced by a group called the Nazis of post-Great War Germany. And we all know what that “rightwinger” group did to the people of Europe.

  • Dave

    That statement’s devoid Constitutional grounding; the guiding document which doesn’t parse life at any cellular level but protects it.

  • pascal

    Nazis were socialists. Socialists are lefties.

  • pascal

    Nazis were socialists. Socialists are lefties.

  • Unemploydemented

    I’ll say what many have probably told you at some point: Please read a book. Nazis were right-wing.

  • G Square

    Hmmm, you sound just like Mourdock. It’s possible that you and I agree upon a great many things. But, what about the things we disagree on? How do we handle those? A pluralistic society must craft laws that the vast majority of the populace can abide by, even if they don’t like them. The sign of a good compromise is when all sides feel that they’ve been shorted. Besides, civil disobedience is always an option, albeit a risky one, for dealing with laws you don’t approve of. Do you think your firm convictions of what you think is “right” should be forced upon everyone else, regardless of their own firm convictions?

  • G Square

    Keeping religious views out of government laws and decisions is not suppression. You are still free to follow your religious beliefs. You are not free to use the power of government to force your beliefs on others. I hope you devoutly follow your deeply held beliefs. Just don’t expect me to follow them when they are different from mine. Yet, we must all live together in this world.

  • pascal

    How’s about you read a good book? Leftism-from de Sade and Marx to Hitler and Marcuse by Erik vo Kuehnelt-Leddihn. Any good library will have this book available.

  • pascal

    Akin is likely to win his Senate seat as well once those voters get past duh media distractions. Same with Indiana-can’t afford six years of pension thefts.

  • pascal

    We prefer to call small humans “babies” and, do tell the Supreme Court re your concern about their overstepping their jurisdiction. As I recall, Congress can get the ball rolling on amendments to the constitution much as Senator Buckley attempted in the 1970′s to overturn the baby killing license issued by the over reaching SC.

  • Unemploydemented

    Nazis were right-wing; Hitler was right-wing. Their combined nationalism, desire to conquer as much as the world as possible, and blatant racism was a decidedly right-wing position on the scale of political movements. You can mention the “socialism” part all you want if you choose, but no one really remembers socialism when they think of Hitler and the Nazis.

  • pascal

    No one remembers because no one thinks to read good books but prefers illusions. Erik was the foreign affairs correspondent for National Review for many years. He would know lefties-you don’t.

  • Dave

    Yep, the problem for stumpers of “perception is reality,” is reality. While UED’s “logic” is a perversion of yoga; no stretch is required to fast search the socialist roots of the Nazi party, Dixiecrats’ racism, or the Republican party’s role in creation & passage of civil rights legislation.

    Narrative disinterest in open minded discovery is characteristic of indoctrination. There’s no telling when or whether the indoctrinated will give up on Santa Claus; much less consider with any introspective quality, sketchy associations & assertions of their egos…

  • Unemploydemented

    And @pascal (to both): If my “perception” is Adolf Hitler embraced and authorized a primarily racially-motivated genocide of roughly 11 million people and engaged in a war in Europe that claimed the lives of well over 30 million people, then sure, I must “prefer illusions” to “reality”. You got me.
    And specifically to Dave, consider me a person without thought of my own, which, coming in the anonymous (on my account as well) form of your denigration (toward those who suffer, according to your sagacity, from “indoctrination”) on a message board of a local personality’s blog, is not exactly the loftiest of praise for you. Congratulations on what must be an assuredly high point of your day.

  • Dave

    Stump on dude. HItler, as you misstate, would not meet any contemporary standard of that which is “right wing,” a tactical distraction / mischaracterization of contemporary fauxgressives. Denigration is found in the acts of the aforementioned, perpetrators; not to be confused with retrospective observers; more indoctrinaire pap.

    You might find the racist preoccupation & eugenic history of Panned Parenthood equally interesting…

  • pascal

    You also seem to think Nazis exist only in the past. The path from the principles of 1789 to the Nazis is pretty clear-also leads to Marx and the Communists with side paths thru Masons and un orthodox Jews. But, if you are happy with your illusions-stump on-we don’t wish to impose historical truths on a fragile persona.

  • Unemploydemented

    Hey, whatever helps you sleep at night. Hitler meets every contemporary (both contemporary for his time and also our time) standard of “right wing”, not “left wing”, except from those who did or currently do occupy the far right in thought and/or deed. I can understand how this fact might be tough for some to take because no one would want to be compared to Hitler, right? Right? Also, I am fully aware of Planned Parenthood’s beginnings.

  • Unemploydemented

    You are correct, I have quite the fragile persona (I love your “truths” though!) A lot of movements and principles came out of 1789, but they were not all of a same birth mother. And I can just best repeat — I can understand how the fact Hitler was far-right might be tough for some to take because no one would want to be compared to Hitler, right? Right? Stump on, indeed.

  • Aimless

    Mourdock’s problem is his mouth. He obviously can’t hear in advance how what he says will sound. Besides, this whole abortion issue is a red herring. It’s a cultural issue. Legislation arises from culture, not the other way around. Until every person gets the idea that other people might be just as important as themselves, there will be abortions.

    I would’ve voted for Lugar again had he been 20 years younger and behaved like a statesman during the primary. He lost me on the age/negative thing – not that I think Mourdock is a worthy replacement. What Lugar needed to do 4 years ago was to start grooming his replacement. Instead he got greedy and now we have this hot mess.

    IF Mourdock manages a win, he will go to the Senate and find out that most in the Senate don’t give a frak what he thinks, nor do they have to. He’s low guy on the food chain and if he won’t play well with others, he/we will suffer. What we don’t need is another dufus like Burton or Carson representing us. However, the thought of a democrat led Senate hurts.

  • Dave

    FYI: Hitler favored the religion of narcissism instrumentalized through the state, statism, socialism; that which is embraced by the contempo “left wing.”