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The Indiana State Board of Education is voting today to turn over several failing  Indianapolis Public Schools to private operators in an effort to improve school performance.

At the time of this posting the Board has voted to turn over control of Arlington High School to Ed Power and Emma Donnan Middle School an Manual High School to Charter Schools USA.

I’ve embedded audio from IPS Superintendent Eugene White, Superintendent of Public Instruction Dr. Tony Bennett and Richard Page of Charter Schools USA.  I spoke to them during the break.   Each clip is less than five minutes.

Eugene White on IPS Takeover

Tony Bennett on IPS Takeover

Richard Page – Charter Schools USA

The Board of Education also voted this morning to assign letter grades to Indiana schools based on academic performance.  Some critics complained the metrics used to grade schools are being replaced and that could give parents a flawed perception of their schools.

I’ll have more up later.  You can watch the board hearings here.

  • pascal

    I can remember testifying in favor of letter grades for schools at a hearing in Indianapolis.  Regardless of the metrics those who don’t like the idea don’t like it precisely because the public would then be precisely informed as to how stinking the government schools actually are.  And, more than incidently, how needlessly expensive they are carrying, at our cost, all the drones and parasites they do.

  • Think Again

    Pascal is right.  Grades everyone can understand.

    I listened to the interviews.  Here’s something I wish someone would ask the companies that are taking over the schools.  And perhaps, we should ask legislators:

    How are you not paying rent?

    You see, you’re going to use the facilities we taxpayers have paid for, or, in the case of some buildings, will continue to pay for for a long time.  The physical plant is a key component of any business model.  How do you get this for free?

    If you want a purely-business type of plan, then pony up some rent.  Name me one business that is allowed to use facilities of a failed predecessor completely free.  

    Go ahead and fire the whole staff.  You’ve got the legal right.  Get tough with parents and students. The law gives you the right.

    But any normal business has an occupancy cost of 10-20%.  These new entities are taking over the entire operation of Howe, et al, right?

    Let them pay rent and IPL.  

    Otherwise, we’re subsidizing their profit margins.  And I’m through providing businesses with tax-funded bottom-lines.  

  • Abdul

    The turnaround operators don’t have to pay rent.  The taxpayers are footing the bill for them to operate the schools for their kids.  It’s like hiring a tutor to come to your home but making him pay the light bill.

  • pascal

    TA is off listening to the siren songs of Melissa as she strolls about playing her Straddlevarious.  

  • Melyssa

    Abdul…curious here.  If you and Mrs Shabazz have a child, where do you want your child educated? 

  • Abdul

    We are private school types, non-religious.

  • Spike

    In other words…. If I didn’t have to pay for heat, air conditioning, lights, water if he uses the bathroom, food if they need a snack, I could possibly pay them a higher wage?

  • Dave

    According to folks in a nearby parish school, vouchers are already working in favor of children; where seven new students, have joined a 7th grade class of 50, a 14% increase for that grade / class, in a school with average ISTEP scores in the 95% range (at a third of the per student cost of IPS).

    Constrast those performance ideals with an IPS child, whose parents drive the child daily to a nearby school (due to schedule & work proximity to the school), have several times, notified the school accordingly, yet the school insists on the taxpayer expense of sending a bus to this family’s home, each morning & afternoon.  Wonder if there’s any funding formula in those ghost stops, or the free breakfast & lunches forced on this same IPS family, against their requested will?

  • pascal

    Not to mention the IPS class for “disturbed” or something or other children that has a class size of two or three or four and three adults.  Not complaining about the disadvantaged kids or the cost of IPS doing right but these are costs that belong more properly to the lack of two parents.  NB…some black, some white….same government policies are anti family.

  • Blackhero

    Abdul, I’m not defending the IPS system,but I sent my daughter to a private catholic school and it was the worst decision of my  life.The teachers are underpaid and could care less,the school was all about football and could have cared less about academics.

    Not only that,but if your daddy was not a lawyer,banker or Dr. you were a nobody. The class system is alive and well in the Catholic Schools here in Indy.But what is the alternative? 

  • Wurstnitemare

    Gawwwwd,did you really just say that “something or other children” ?

    Really? Really?

    Son, you need help big time

  • Ramon

    I can’t believe that you just said that!!   Please tell me that you do NOT believe that the cost of handicapped children should be paid totally by the parents.  Have you no shame?

  • Ramon

    Also remember that you will be required to educate ALL children regardless of learning problems,  behavior problems,   poverty,  frequent absences or total lack of interest in education by the family?  We all know you will find a way to return these children to the public schools so that they do not mess up your already falsified stats.

  • Dave

    BH:  Wouldn’t that be the worst education of “her life,” vs. yours?  And just so we know this is ain’t union scripted, which school are you talking about?  

  • Guest #2

    So no one is raising their eyebrows at the fact that Edison Learning (the TSO for Gary Roosevelt) donated $2000 to Bennett in 2009 and Wireless Generation (a Lead Partner for Washington) donated $1000 to his campaign the same year?

    http://stateimpact.npr.org/indiana/2011/08/29/indiana-superintendent-received-donations-from-two-companies-involved-in-failing-schools-plan/

  • Abdul

    And…?  IPS has been failing for 6 years.  Did we miss something?

  • Think Again

    Abdul, you’ve taken leave of your senses.   Inconsistent private-sector arguments.  The facts are simple:

    The state has farmed-out the government’s education function.  To private-sector companies.  The private operators have zero occupancy costs.

    It can NOT be “free-market” or “business” if there is no occupancy cost.  Face it:

    They’re subsidized.

    So much for that free-market approach.

    Besides the rent thing, there are all kinds of potential problems with this piece of the puzzle.  IPS is like a Debtor in Possession.  Remember that friendly concept form law school?  Where is the “incentive” for IPS to send a plimber to quickly fix the boiler problem on a zero-degree January day, at Howe, if there are five other “regular’ IPS schools in front of Howe on the work-order rotation?

    Schools run on three things: physical plant, staff and books.  If you think Eugene White won’t cook the books on Part One, you’re crazy.  It’s subtle, and folks wouldn’t even recognize it until way late in the game.

    There are multiple opportunities for IPS to rig the physical plant portion of this puzzle.  If these “operators” paid rent, they’d have tenant’s rights: fix my damned boiler NOW.

    The legislature–once more–missed a key ingredient.  Not difficult to do when you’re worried about my bed partner or whether my license plates proclaim the state’s Deity alignment.

    Thisisn’t a fatal flaw.  But it’s pretty damned important.

  • Think Again

    **plumber

  • Think Again

    Dave: if he’s a good parent, it’s easily the worst decision of HIS life and potentially hers, too.

    In this instance.

    I have a niece and nephew, same family, who attended Cathedral and North Central simaltaneously.  The family could not afford for both to attend Cathedral–one went because of athletic ablitiy and a scholarship.  No hard feleings between the siblings.

    Both did well on SATs, and both got admitted to prestigious national universities.  The Cathedral grad wishes he had a more-diverse high school experience, because his world is somewhat limited in scope.  The NC grad has no such observations.

    Both argued that they were surrounded by wealthy classmates–and each learned to deal with it.  Obviously, they are not wealthy.  They’re well-adjusted kids.  I’m a proud uncle.  But the real creditgoes to their parents: working-class folks who made sure their children’s educations were the focal point, and who instilled strong values that do not emphasize economic station in life, but integrity.

    I’m a fan of Catholic schools–in some situations.  But not one dime of tax money should go to them–ever.

  • Think Again

    You’re aware that those children are entitled to a free and approprite education, right?

  • Think Again

    Nope.  It’s just sleezy.

  • pascal

    Er…Melina…..

  • pascal

    The list of pathologies which anti family policies create is too long to put into a short blog. 

  • pascal

    I’m not aware of any physical handicaps in the children of this particular school.  Were we to discuss them as if they had them I’d like to look over the legislative record to see their discussions pro and con as to whether poor folks ought to be taxed for the costs of actions done by others.  Let me know when you find the legislative discussions so we both know who is accountable.

  • pascal

    Government schools have government policies.  They don’t have to be sensible or cost effective or even much more than honored in the breech.  Meanwhile, I doubt very much if any private school would have three(3) adults to “educate” a class size of two or three.  Not even the ISTA charter school, TA.

  • pascal

    http://americanglob.com/2011/08/29/thousands-leave-indiana-public-schools-when-given-a-choice/  Nope, Indiana kids should be forced to attend government schools and sing songs to and for Obama and other creeps?  Any Catholic school is better than almost any IPS school on any measures that matter if the concerns that matter are the ability to read, write, calculate.
         As I understand the voucher system, tax monies go to parents. Parents then spend said money in behalf of their kids. Once the tax money is in the hands of the parents it is no longer even the one thin dime of tax money.
          Too, does this not provide an opening for all those loud mouthed Black Ministers to get off their duffs and start up Church Schools?  Even Muslims could make the needed intervention and be forces for positive good.

  • Think Again

    I have to ask: do you get a headache with all that spin?

  • Think Again

    ISTA has a charter school?  I wasn’t aware.

  • pascal

    Not yet do they have a charter school but they have been for decades with the lie of smaller class sizes being of benefit to children and an adult ratio as described would be heaven to them and their UNION DUES.

  • Guest #2

    You’re right Abdul — it absolutely IS about making sure that we give those students in IPS the best chance at an education.  So shouldn’t we be able to ensure that the people tasked with taking over and improving the situation at these schools in IPS get these contracts because they’re honestly the most qualified ones to take on this challenge instead of being the ones who gave Bennett the most money?  You really think the solution is to just sell the education of these kids to the highest bidder?  What’s next?  Can I improve my chances at getting hired on as a teacher at one of these schools if I donate to Bennett’s campaign fund? 

    It’s not even about whether or not this is actually the case — if they need
    “community support” for this venture, a good way to lose it quickly is
    to make it LOOK like it’s all about the money.  I’m not saying the state shouldn’t take over, but this whole process needs to be completely above reproach.  Unless Bennett gives that money back and pledges to not take more in the future from the companies involved, this “dark cloud” is always going to hang over the whole thing.

  • Dave

    If we skinny the definition of faith (Catholic or otherwise), to describe it as a “belief system,” we can view it, along with or in contrast to, statism; the idea that government has a role in private life, beyond its skeletal, Constitutional charge, to protect & provide for the common defense.

    “Tax money” is another word for taken money.  Considering government’s record & complicity in Constitutionally questionable or unwarranted taking; until such time as the people are relieved of any such takings, the return of those dollars to parents to direct as they choose, is more not less- liberty!

    Your points reasonably made about good parenting- makes sense. Discovery of another or better path is itself learning.  No trial & error, no improvement.  Enlightenment qua education would never prescribe a panacea.  

    You’re blessed to be the proud uncle of some good kids.        

  • Think Again

    LOL  Keep your women straight

  • Think Again

    All I did was hang around and send birthday/graduation gifts. And hugs whenevere I could.  Their parents are great.  

    The job’s half-done.  One graduated in June, another graduates in two years.  

  • Think Again

    spin spin spin spinspinspin like a top.  Whirling dervish.

  • Think Again

    Careful, Guest.  If I “like’ your post, Pascal will be all over you like a wet suit.  But this one, I have to “like.”  So much common sense.

    I want school reform, and I’m even ready to accept the reform we’re not getting.  IF the playing field is fair.  

    This one is patently unfair.  Our legislators passed reforms like they were eating lunch.  Pitiful.  

    The large parts are good.  But several smaller pieces of the legislation need serious tweaking.

    You’re aware, of course, that IPS taxpayers just went for a huge bond issue, to (capital) improve schools, some of whom are on the takeover list?  I believe the gross total was a quarter-billion.

    It’s messed up. These turn-around companies get free facilities, and the annual  $$ reports they have to file allow massive fund-shifting.  We’ll never get an accurate picture of our tax dollars’ travels.

    And they can contribubte campaign money to te State Super.  Fantastic.

  • pascal

    I guess, TA, that you did not read the story cited?  Spin?  Want to try to document any factual errors or should folks just take your unsupported word for reality?  In the case of Catholic schools I’m of the opinion that they ought to be the originators of tax credits for anyone who attends them because each kid there saves taxpayers money and the parents ought not be taxed for something they don’t use e.g. IPS.

  • pascal

    I suppose you missed the humor.  But, I suppose I could try typing real slow. 

  • pascal

    Apparently the wet suit “waterboarded” was insufficient to deter you (or someone else) from “liking” the guest’s post. The best chance kids have in the IPS system is for their parents to move out to the doughnut counties which became that way because of the easily percieved coming failures of IPS and its band of really stupid social engineers. 
        Now that IPS is multi road kill the prospects for turning it around as government schools and on the Indiana model of government schools are nil.  Zero.  Nada.  I think the Legislature understands this-at least the newer members do.

  • Dave

    IPS:  Indianapolis Phailing Students

  • Think Again

    Yeah, your take was “spin.”  And that’s being kind.

  • Think Again

    I missed it because it wasn’t funny.

  • Think Again

    I know exactly what those new legislators, as a group, understand.

    That’s what scares me.

  • Anonymous

    Turning operators do not have to pay the rent. Taxpayers will pay for their schools for their children. It ‘s like hiring a tutor to come home, but to make him pay the bills.
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