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The Devil at His Doorstep

The following is a guest post by Dave Bego.  Bego is the President and CEO of  Executive Management Services, a nationwide cleaning company based in Indianapolis.  He recently wrote a book entitled, “The Devil at My Doorstep” chronicling his company’s struggles with the Service Employees International Union as well as his opposition to the Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA).

Unions want you to believe that EFCA will “Restore Freedom to Organize and Bargain”.  The freedom of organization has never been compromised. The existing law has been in place since 1947 ( 62 years), when Congress overrode a veto by President Harry Truman to pass the Taft Hartley Act in order to curb the union harassment and intimidation which accompanied the initial twelve year existence of the National Labor Relations Act. It is this regime of abuse and coercion which the unions look to implement by passage of the Employee Free Choice Act.

Unions seek this because they are desperate for membership, which has declined to a low of about 12% today.  Why would Congress now entertain reversing the law and subject employees to a ruthless non private process where employees are subject to intimidation and harassment by union organizers who know how they vote? My guess would be political contributions.

There are several reasons why arguments for the EFCA fall flat.

  1. Unions state that “companies decide how workers form their union.” The National Labor Relations Act specifically provides that an election is held if a minimum – just 30% or more – of employees indicate their support of union representation. The employer has no choice but to submit to the election.
  2. Penalties: Unions want up to a $ 20,000 fine assessed on a company for every unfair labor practice charge against the company which is upheld by the NLRB, but no such fines for unions. Why? Because unions misrepresent that only 42 cases have been filed against unions since the NLRA act was enacted and 29,00 to 30,000 against employers last year alone. These statistics are patently false. The National Labor Relations Board produces an Annual Report summarizing the cases they receive. The report shows that in 2007 alone, there were 5,992 charges filed against unions. The vast majority of these were filed by individual employees. Over 84% of all charges filed alleged “illegal restraint and coercion.”
  3. Unions also assert that EFCA does not eliminate the Secret Ballot Election. While, they are technically correct, the practical effect of the legislation is that elections will no longer be needed.  Section 2(a) of EFCA expressly provides that if a majority of employees submit authorization cards (regardless of how they were obtained), the union will be recognized. There is no election because the union will never notify the employees when 30% of the employees have signed cards and the union will submit the cards for recognition when 50% + 1 of the employees have signed cards. This opens the door to widespread corruption.
  4. Unions also overstate the case against employers. There were 16,291 cases brought against employers in 2007. The vast majority of these, almost seventy-five percent, were brought not be employees, but by the unions themselves, as a technique designed to force companies to sign recognitional agreements. Furthermore, less than six percent of the charges were determined by the NLRB to have merit justifying the issuance of a formal complaint.

These are just some of the arguments I make against the EFCA.   We cannot allow our elected officials to compromise the welfare of the citizens merely for political purpose. The truth is the EFCA would be devastating for all businesses from the “Mom and Pop Shops” to major corporations and would eliminate millions of jobs across the country.  The current laws work, if they are enforces and the unions know this.  It’s been my experience however, that when unions are asked to debate openly they decline, because they cannot support the information they propagate.

  • agman

    Interesting question: If more union shops are set up and/or more people join unions and the follow through is seeking higher wages, more benefits, etc. etc. will this increase or decrease imports and exports??? Just wondering.

  • Think Again

    Strong question, agman.

    But this post is so full of holes I barely know where to start…

    When unions bring a case against an employer, they do so FOR the employee. Every single damned time. So, **poof” point No. 4.

    Unions are rarely “the answer.” But no employer should have ANY say WHATSOEVER in employees' decisions about trying to form a union. Employees should be able to try, without fear of firing, and if they can reach the magic number, an election should be held.

    There are thousands of Indiana companies where a union election would fail. And several where it would likely succeed. IN a tight job market, employees are even less bold to suggest or vote for a union.

    The anti-EFCA forces resort to the same old tired talking points that have been used against labor unions for decades. Sometimes those points are true. But the formation of a union is really the simplest part of this entire process, and that ought to be largley in the hands of the employees.

    If they cannot muster sufficient support among co-workers, they lose.

    It's really pretty simple.

  • unigov

    The SEIU is fond of trotting out downtown hotel maids who are members of minoriy groups, to make a case for union representation.

    SEIU: “omg omg omg these poor women only make $8 an hour”

    Me: “How much should someone with no skills and no education be paid ?”

    A maid isn't worth $15 plus medical in this economy. $8 for an unskilled worker is fair.

    When I was in college I worked at Marion County General (now Wishard) in the 1970's and made minimum wage (I think it was $2.20 an hour back then) with no benefits. Yeah, it wasn't much money, but it was a job and I didn't plan on doing it forever.

    The prime beneficiary of maids forming a union is Andy Stern, the fatcat head of the SEIU.

    I wonder if those idiot beggars with carboard signs will form a union.

  • David

    I will side with the workers on this one. You say the existing laws are good enough, but you know they are not enforced, especially under republican presidents. I am not making this up. I have experienced first hand anti-union intimidation by my employer, and retaliation when I spoke out against it. At another place, I was flat out told by a supervisor that if we tried to form a union we would all be fired, and that it had happened in the past. So forgive me for not being sympathetic to the companies on this issue. If they would just be fair and follow the law without intimidation, and if the law was fairly enforced, then I would agree with you that nothing needs to change.

  • Think Again

    Unigov, I did the same thing in the early 70s, to be able to go to college. I distinctly remember the minimum wage was around $1.79 an hour, and went up to $1.90. And I remember burning that wage and this mission into my brain: get my education so this wage is not my fate.

    But for the purposes of a sane and civil discussion, can we refrain from labels like 'fatcat Andy Stern' ? Because I can muster up some pretty ugly adjectives for the folks on the other side of this battle, like the outrageous fees made by anti-union lawyers.

    Those adjectives, on either side, do nothing to continue rational discussion about the issue.

  • Rico

    Unions aren't about the 'worker', but the 'workers', as a collective. They are microcosms of a socialistic society–everything is for the 'common good' and individualism is discouraged. Their demands on management (and management caving in to those demands) is what has led to the so-called crisis in our auto industry. The labor unions were originally formed to protect the worker from unsafe working conditions, etc. Now, their role is to protect the worker from working too hard.
    I've asked this question on here before. What do the American auto industry, the airlines, and the public school system (all failures by any fair assessment) all have in common? They are all heavily unionized. And what is happening under President ACORN? The unions are gaining strength. Some idiots never learn.

  • wilson46201

    “Some idiots never learn.” Rico's persistent name-calling proves that point so well!

  • hoffa-ette

    I remember being in a union and the only retaliation was from the union itself. Union leaders and organizers make big dollars and they have run amok also to keep that going for themselves. So the worker has two masters, company and the vulture union. No to the union thugs and their machinations. Don't step out of line with the union either they play hardball.

  • Think Again

    Hoffa, 1967 called. They want their stereotypes back. Drive it home in an Edsel while you're at it.

  • hoffa-ette

    “Think Again 44 minutes ago
    Hoffa, 1967 called. They want their stereotypes back. Drive it home in an Edsel while you're at it.”

    There you go again -you have zero tolerance-I said I was once in a union and that counts as experience. There may be a stereotype, humor and inuendo in there but there is truth. By the way, Abdul why have you let this guy hi-jack your blog as the master of insult and intolerance. I vote Think again go get his own blog. Either that -or make a comment and quit insulting the rest of us. I could use a stereotype after reading you that you are a liberal -socialist and you know what they say about that, to quote “Liberalism is a mental disorder”
    So there. Please do me the courtesy of NO reply.

  • wilson46201

    poor “hoffa-ette” went into a battle of wits with “Think Again” half-armed…

  • agman

    Just thinking: do remember when I was working at a major university while a student for 80cents per hour, remember working as a teacher in a system (pre teacher's union) when there were absolutely no restriction on rules super could impose or where firing pre tenure was the common practice,etc…..have also been in adminstrative position where have been faced with possible unionization of employees–and even was as a teacher one of the people that brought the teachers association into strong being including a one day walkout protest for failure to be recognized as to any negotiations, etc….. My concern from what I read is the lack of supervision on the signup cards vs recognized organized balloting situation. Guess I also remember the strong arm tactics of union organization in the past which is every bit as bad as employers who over react to possible unionization. Just remembering

  • Rico

    C'mon, Hoffa. We want 'guys' like this to put fat fingers to keypad as often as possible. The same way Pelosi and Reid shed light on the radical liberal agenda, 'guys' like Think Again illustrate the profound ignorance we're up against and only strengthen our resolve. With stelllar citizens like Wilson on their side, this elie group is destined to fail.

  • Rico

    elite group….

  • malercous

    I'm with you Abdul. Why don't we just outlaw unions and be done with it once and for all? The debate is so one-sided, so why do we even tolerate this menace?
    Really, what did unions ever do for us? I mean besides keeping the country from going socialist in the early 20th cen., ensuring safe workplaces, the 40 hour work week, vastly expanding the “middle-class” in the post-war years, overtime pay, paid vacation time off (Really, who but the most hard-core America-hater wants to be anywhere but at work?), protection from capricious firings and pay cuts, job security, health insurance, living wages, arbitrary work rules, collective bargaining (why should a lowly employee have any bargaining leverage with a sweat-shop owner?), overtime for holidays (what make Dec 25 worth more than any other day?), and a litany of other evils foisted upon us by unions.
    How any decent American could join or even support a union is beyond the scope of my understanding. All union members are obviously communists, and as such, must be eradicated. If we can just put the American worker on the same remunerative scale as his malaysian counterpart, all will be well in America and we will still have our freedom.
    Freedom neccessarily entails the right to take advantage of your situation, or others (if that's your bag), so long as it is done lawfully (think payday loans). As such, we really need to repeal those laws which hold back our American Entrepenuers from the laws restricting their freedom. We certainly don't want to be like the (Communist, Socialist, Heathen) French, who as G.W. Bush famously stated “don't have a word for Entrepenuer.”

  • John Howard

    The reason unions want 'living wage' for jobs with no future is because that is the union's bread and butter. They WANT to maintain a cadre of poor uneducated blindly-loyal people that mistakenly think the union has their best interests at heart.

    The reality is, they just want to maintain a herd of cattle they can milk for union dues. Keep them moderately complacent to ensure they don't get too smart or too ambitious, so they keep paying those dues.

  • hoffa-ette

    The unions certainly did their part in the beginning but they have evolved into an entitiy of their own beyond workers rights, etc. The government and lawyers have taken over protecting workers. Keeping the union thriving keeps them in power and wealth. Most important, regardless of union yes or no opinions is that the workers should be able to vote in private and secret and I do not think the unions should be allowed to get away with their push to legalize thuggery by silencing workers.
    I shall await -Think Agains insults rather than comments on the statement.

  • Think Again

    Outlaw unions. Now there's a noble idea. Geeeesh.

    I'm not in favor of unions making their leaders wealthy. That little sham has to stop. But the whole “baby/bathwater” thing keeps creeping in. Ditto corporate American execs earning far more than they should–but there is a governance system in place to check that. Oh wait, the SEC is still being rebuilt. They'll get back to you next year.

    The proposals now being debated on The Hill, regarding union organizing, can really be solved with a simple concept: majority rule. Before, AND after the initial representation vote.

    If a majority of workers want to hold a union election, it's held. How that “majority” is tallied is really the core issue here–secret vs. non-secret initiatives.

    Here's a potential tradeoff: if a sitting union loses the support of 50% plus one of its members, it becomes de-certified.

    Nobody should be “union/nonunion for life” if they can't deliver the goods.

    Hoffa, sorry you were offended earlier. I guess it was the vulture comment that threw me off–you really might be smart and open-minded. Try not to listen too much to Rico–not many do–poor soul thinks I cavort with Wilson and we cook up projects together. Hilarious.

    For your information, there are multiple examples of unions “doing their part” today. Unions doing good things didn't go out with the Edsel.

    Perhaps their leaders began imitating their corporate adversaries too much.

    Greed is a powerful motivator, huh?

  • JonGG

    Hey, even Acorn said that if they were forced to pay their employees more than what they wanted to they would have less employees. How does that help 'the workers. How hypcritical is that?

  • Taxpayer 834512

    “How that “majority” is tallied is really the core issue here–secret vs. non-secret initiatives.”
    .
    No disagreement. With all the furor over Indiana voting laws and the prospective dillution of our Constitution by successive administrations, I hope we can at least agree on the sanctity of secret ballot. Or, is everything up for graps if there is political gain in it?: “You're either with us, or agin' us, Pilgrim!” (spit of tobacco chaw afterwards).
    .
    Maybe all this polarized foolishness has degenerated to some grand, tragic Fellini cowboy movie at that.

  • Think Again

    Jon, try though you might, ACORN isn't at the core of all voting matters.

    But you can spin your wheels trying to wish it were so.

  • JonGG

    T. My post wasn't about voting but 'taking care of workers.' And since you brought it up ask Al Franken about Acorn and voting matters, although I'll bet he wouldn't give you a straight answer.

  • JonGG

    Sorry-TA

  • Think Again

    I got it. Al Franken…he and Hillary really get to the neocons. What a giggle. I gotta admit, it surprised me, too. But he beat a worthless incumbent…who charged his Nordstrom wardrobe to his campaign account, along with the bleeched teeth.

    Al's the real senator from Minnesota…get used to it. He'll do a better job asleep than Coleman did awake. No doubt about that.

  • Dave

    Teams (and corporations), where players & coaching staff are constantly doing battle, don't fare too well.

    The purpose of a corporation is to profit its owners or shareholders. Companies that also promote the interests of their employees are better places to work & stand to benefit in reciprocal fashion. No one in a free market economy is forced to work for a company with toxic management.

    What do unions bring to the table, that a capable labor attorney can't handle at a much reduced cost, on an as needed basis? The assumption that unions (the ornament of good intentions vs. performance) are somehow necessary is flawed.

    We have membership in an ideal centered union- the United States.

  • http://chicksontheright.com/ Mockarena

    Be sure to check out the write-up on Dave Bego and EFCA at http://chicksontheright.com/2009/09/17/mocks-le... too! And buy his book – The Devil at my Doorstep – great read! :)

  • JonGG

    TA. I guess you missed my point again but that doesn't surprise me. You did what all libs do, you get into personal attacks when you can't win. Let me simplify it, Fraken won by what, 300 some votes? And you don't think voter fraud (Acorn) had anything to do with it? You really drink the kool aid (lib tactic, how does it feel). Yeah, your next one will be where is the proof but come on, where is the proof that Acorn hasn't participated in voter fraud and by the way, it has happened in other states but of course, not Minn.

  • JonGG

    Oh, and by the way I am not a neocon. I don't have to think again, I know where I stand,I am an Independent, free thinker who isn't controlled or swayed by one party or the other like some. Common sense prevails with me, sometimes thats with the Dems (although not that often)and sometimes with the Republicans (and not that often either). Several times in the past I have agreed with your points of view TA but it seems like lately you have just been spewing liberal party rhetoric, you and Wilson must have become close. And, if you think Franken or H. Clinton scared the neocons what did Palin do the Dems? She brought out the best in the Democrat parties kindergarten playground tactics.

  • Dobie

    People have pointed out the good things that unions have done for us – and they are correct. It was unions that got us the 40 hours work week and many other benefits. But, to misquote a song – what has it done for us lately? When people think of unions today, they mostly think of a bunch of corrupt leaders that put in place ridiculous rules that prevent businesses from being able to adapt to changes. Just last week, cnn.com did an article on the USPS paying millions of dollars per week to workers to sit in a room and do nothing – they don't need the workers, but the union contract prevents USPS laying them off.

  • wilson46201

    So during this recession you are rooting for even more American workers to be fired ? Damn them unions?

  • http://chicksontheright.com/ Mockarena

    Recession or not, I will ALWAYS root for American workers, who are sitting around being paid to do NOTHING, to be fired. What has the world come to when someone's argument for unions is that in a time of recession, they keep worthless lazy people employed?

    Wow.

  • wilson46201

    Well, if you suppose Americans are worthless, you might have a point…

  • http://chicksontheright.com/ Mockarena

    I'm referring to the USPS employees who were used as the example which STARTED this debate. I certainly don't think ALL Americans are worthless. I simply don't propose to keep paying those who aren't contributing anything, simply because they're unionized.

  • wilson46201

    So just some Americans are “worthless” ?

  • wilson46201

    So you also think some contracts are “worthless” ? All the union was trying to enforce was a signed contract. You do believe in the rule of law, don't you?

  • elmerborneman

    Unions had their place in the dirty thirties and just after WW2. But, politicians have placed a lot of legislation on the books that replace what the unions of old fought for. Now unions are big business like any other enterprise. To survive they must keep expanding, or in the very least, maintain a status-quo. If union dues were voluntary, and not deducted from pay checks (I still like the old spelling: pay cheques) I believe that there would be very few of them left. They (unions) have their place in society. If workers truly want one to represent them then so be it BUT this should come about in a truly open and legitimate manner NO UNFAIR PERSUASION or BULLY TACTICS BY EITHER PARTY. Unfortunately, as the law now reads, the employer can be heavily fined if it is proven he interfered with his workers' decision to unionize. On the other hand the union can do and say whatever it wishes, some of the language borders on slander, AND there is no penalty on the books. Dosen't sound very fair to me. If anyone “out there” honestly believes that union reps do not intimidate and coerce then I have the “proverbial bridge for sale”. We do not live in a perfect world and there will always be some who will do whatever to achieve their goals (whether by the book or otherwise.) This is a fact of life. Unions do not like secret ballots (and I imagine some employers feel the same) BUT, if they (secret ballots) are good enough to elect politicians then it should be good enough to decide union representations.

    Don't think for one moment that the SEIU doesn't have any political clout. It supported Mr. Obama's run for the White House with millions of dollars, and all of it from union dues. In return it (SEIU) fully expects the President to keep his promise to pass the EFCA. At one point in his career, Pres. Obama was a lawyer for the SEIU and today, is still a card-carrying member. Will the EFCA pass it its present form? Who knows, the Dems control both houses BUT saner heads may yet prevail.

  • wilson46201

    No union dues can ever be used for election of a Federal candidate like Senator or President (no corporate funds may be used either). A separate, voluntary fund may be established to receive contributions — that's what a PAC is (Political Action Committee). That's basic long-standing Federal law.

    Not a penny of SEIU union dues went to Obama's campaign. Stop spreading such lies!

  • jhumphreys

    I have no doubts that unions have their place but the SEIU is giving them a bad name. They clearly do things that are immoral and unethical. Andy Stern is only out to expand his own powers and has no concern for his union members.

    Anyone who believes getting rid of the secret ballot election will keep workers from being harassed is either lying or just plain stupid (Andre Carson for one). The whole reason that there are secret ballots currently are to keep union organizers from harassing workers who don't vote for unionization. duh!

    The government needs to level the playing field for both sides instead of paying back the people who contributed to their election campaigns. Sorry wilson46201, but you are either naive or you don't listen to the things that Mr. Stern says. He openly admitted that if the people that they got in office don't vote the SEIU's way then they will get people elected who will. I'm not saying the SEIU wrote Obama's camp a check directly, but they certainly contributed. Take a look at the union rules and you will see who they favor, the unionizers. This is not the way it should be, it should make it so if the workers want a union they get one, and if they don't, they don't. It should not be so if the unions what to expand their business they harass the workers and the business owners until they give in. If these guys have so much money that they can contribute these kinds of dollars it only goes to strengthen the argument that they are taking more than they need from the people they represent. If you don't agree take a look at the auto industry which has been ruined by the auto worker's union. There is no reason unions can't work if they are done by the book and I don't mean the check book.

    Either way you see things its good that we are getting more people to look at things. We have let too many issues go unchecked and we really need to open our eyes and get involved. Good job to all that have responded. I have enjoyed reading all of the comments.

  • GaryBG

    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/07/28/where-did...

    http://www.nrtw.org/press/seiu-illegal-pac-0717...

    You might find either of these sites interesting. Just because it is against the law doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

  • wilson46201

    “The whole reason that there are secret ballots currently are to keep union organizers from harassing workers who don't vote for unionization. duh!”
    Considering it's employers who do the hiring and firing, jhumphreys turns history topsy-turvy. The secret ballot originally was to protect workers from being harassed and/or fired by the hitherto-powerful employers. duh!
    Still, jhumphreys screed was a good example of a longstanding tradition of union-knocking. Oldtime robber-barons like Andrew Carnegie and J.D.Rockefeller would be proud of a whippersnapper like jhumphreys updating hoary anti-union propaganda. duh!

  • wilson46201

    …and just because the Right-To-Work (For-Less) Committee (an oldtime union-busting clique) insinuates something doesn't mean it happens either!

  • jhumphreys

    Hmmm…so wilson46201, are you saying unionizers don't intimidate employees into voting for unionization? I agree the secret ballots are also to protect employers from doing the same, but I thought that was obvious. I will make sure to make my point easier for everyone to understand. The current secret ballot rule is to prevent tampering from either side. So why is it that only union supporters want this changed? Seems like they would prefer to tamper because the other rules for unionization make it possible from them to tamper without retribution while employers would face extremely steep penalties for doing the same.

    I considered using wilson46201's tactic of name calling, but I am actually looking for factual information, and a mutually agreeable solution to a very big problem. I like the employers am trying to take the high ground, why don't you break the stereo type of a union man and do the same. Explaine to me how getting rid of the secret ballot election benefits the employees? The federal government has plenty of laws and regulations to protect workers so why are they not enough? I no longer see the benefits that unions once offered. Now I see money hungry corporations who claim to be unions who only seek to increase their wealth and not those who they supposedly protect. The government needs to level the playing field for both unions and employers so it is indeed the employers decision, and they reap the benefits. Neither side should be allowed to make campaign contributions to specific politicians, as this leads to corruption on both sides. Tell me how this could be wrong?

  • wilson46201

    I appreciate your very sanctimonious desire to avoid namecalling but calling popularly-elected Congressman André Carson “stupid” tipped your hand about your real agenda. Describing unions as “money hungry corporations … who only seek to increase their wealth” also reveals much more than a mere “bias” on your part.
    Anti-union screeds are as old as workers have tried to unite to improve life and working conditions. “jhumphreys” continues shilling for the employers just like so many have done in the years before him.

  • jhumphreys

    I can't help but notice you didn't even try to address my questions wilson46201. I see your arguement is as hollow as the people you support. Your answers much like the dirty politicians and union organizers don't address the issues, they mearly attempt to misdirect the focus of the discussion. I can only assume that avoiding the questions means you have no good answer. Thanks for proving my point.

  • GaryBG

    We decertified two unions so we could pay them more. Unions are fine.
    Union leaders are immoral thugs.

  • elmerborneman

    I was going to pen a lengthy rebuttal to Wilson46201 but, after reading all of the valid and very resonable points made by Jhumphreys I don't feel that I could do any better. I don't see any union-bashing here. Its very telling that Wilson46201 continually evades answering the questions Jhumphreys posed. Instead Wison46201 keeps offering up the old and tired union mantras that employers are the “bad guys”. What good does it do to keep bringing up the “bad old days “of Carnegie and Rockefeller? Those wars were fought and won a long long time ago, they hold no relevance to today's situation. Over the years there have been more and more legislation passed to help workers and this is why union membership has declined to the point of 13 or 14 % in the country. Any group intent on forming or joining a union these days can do so easily. And, if they feel that they are being pressured (not to form or join) the NLRB has a “big stick” to correct the situation and keep the employer in line. Its a bit strange that this same “stick” is not wielded to do the same for union organizing campaigns, but whatever, that's the way it is. I don't doubt for a minute that there are not a lot of good unions “out there” who are truly working for the betterment of their members. Infortunately I cannot place the SEIU in this mix because they are becoming an embarrassment to the labor movement. The SEIU's current three-year (and counting) war to organize the employees of EMS Inc does not make sense when you realize that they are being paid around $1:00/hr more than those currently in the SEIU camp. In addition they (EMS) have health care which, if I have my facts correct (I'm certain that Wilson46201 will jump all over me again if I'm not) would not come into effect until two years after an agreement is ratified with the SEIU. In the case of EMS I only see a union-grab for new dues-paying members. If the current monthly union dues are still $40:00/mo and you multiply this by 4000 new members (EMS payroll is closer to 5000) the annual income for the SEIU would be in the neighborhood of $1,290,000 US. A very nice neighborhood indeed!
    I'm sorry, but I do not see a “crying need” for the SEIU to wage this very long war with EMS whose workers are doing rather well (if they weren't they would have signed up with SEIU before now). I have no personal relationship with Mr. Bego of EMS, I have never spoken to him or met him and only came across his labor travails in the media. At the outset of this reply I intimated that it would not be a long one, and for this, I apologize. But it irks me no end when I see a “playing field” tilted so much in one direction. EMS has taken on a
    Goliath in the form of the SEIU who has unlimited funds (members' dues that they are prepared to spend at will) whereas EMS has to take monies from “the bottom line” and they are not unlimited.

  • GaryBG

    If you had read the book, you'd know that your position is wrong. SEIU's effort and the wrongly named Free Choice Act, both start with the idea that there is NO election to be held. What you describe as simple is the way it is now. And that is what the Democrats and SEIU and all other unions are trying to change. NO secret ballot. Just an imposed “Neutrality Agreement”.

  • GaryBG

    If you had read the book, you'd know that your position is wrong. SEIU's effort and the wrongly named Free Choice Act, both start with the idea that there is NO election to be held. What you describe as simple is the way it is now. And that is what the Democrats and SEIU and all other unions are trying to change. NO secret ballot. Just an imposed “Neutrality Agreement”.

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