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Why I Still Support “Stop and Frisk”

I caught a lot of grief recently for a column that I wrote recently arguing that local law enforcement should use its own version of “stop and frisk” as part of a strategy to address Indianapolis’ growing murder problem.

I was accused of being insensitive to the black youth who would likely be the targets of such tactics.   Well, after having a conversation Sunday with community activist Pastor John Girton, Jr. I am more convinced that “stop and frisk”,  done properly,  will work.

Girton is doing a 30-day vigil at 30th and Martin Luther King, Dr to draw attention and seek solutions to some of the violence that is plaguing  Indianapolis.

And  I asked Girton about the unlicensed guns that a lot of the bad guys have and how do you go after the illegally possessed weapons while still respecting the 2nd Amendment?  Girton had a pretty good response that he got from a grandmother.  He told me that many of the people who live with the bad guys know where the illegally possessed guns are, but are afraid to do anything, for fear of their safety.  A fair point.

This is why I thought local law enforcement should set up a simple hotline number that these folks can call, so when Pookie leaves with the house with his piece, the cops know he is out and the urban terrorist can be arrested and taken off the street.   Grandma’s call and warning to law enforcement can easily give them the probable cause that they would need to make the stop, frisk and subsequent arrest.

I’ll leave it to law enforcement to work out the exact details, but you can’t complain about police “picking on black youth” when the it’s the family, who I argue is our first line of defense in going after the bad guys, is the one who is letting the cops know where the little “robin hoodlums” are.

And for those of you who don’t like my idea, here’s a fun fact.  Since Girton began his campaign early this month there have been nearly 10 murders here in Indy.  Maybe if someone had been stopped and frisked, someone else might still be alive today.

By the way, you can hear my entire conversation with Girton by clicking here.

  • malercous

    Something about detaining people on the street for no articulable reasonable suspicion is totally un-American. This isn’t Nazi Germany or the USSR. Presuming someone is a criminal for no good reason is totally antithetical to our Constitution & way of life.

    Sorry to say Abdul, but on this issue you sound like a fascist advocating for a totalitarian state. Please revisit your views on this issue. I’m a gun owner with a CCW permit & I’d much rather see stricter controls on firearms than the Gestapo doing “stop & search” on citizens for no reasonable suspicion. What you are advocating is giving up our 4A rights.

  • GSquare

    I don’t agree malercous. Having a hotline for people to report suspicious activity would provide reasonable suspicion and probably cause to stop and frisk. Stricter controls on firearms won’t have much effect on guns that are already illegally possessed. Obviously we don’t want random searches but Abdul is right. If Grandma calls and says Pookie just left angry with his 9, he needs to be stopped. That way, you and I don’t have to use our CCW during some tragedy.

  • malercous

    Detaining someone & searching them for no articulable reason is a big 4A violation. Stopping & frisking someone who has been reported as acting suspicious, for an articulable reason is different, provided there is a good reason for doing so. If I were to be detained & searched for no good reason I will guarandamntee a sec. 1983 lawsuit would be filed. My civil rights are not to be trifled with just because somebody doesn’t like the way I look. Even if I didn’t win such a suit, it is certaintied that the city/county/state would spend at least 100k defending itself. Random stop & frisk is a police state tactic.

    Stricter controls on firearms are needed & it must be nation-wide; reporting stolen/missing guns would be a good start. If someone is so careless as to lose track of their gun(s), such person should be held civilly liable (but not criminally guilty) for whatever happens with such firearm if it was not reported missing. Why can’t a person report a missing gun? Lost track of them or just don’t know? Too bad for you dumb-ass, these things ain’t toys, maybe keep your eye on them. I own 53 guns & I know where each of them are at all times; it’s called being a responsible gun owner.

    What about controlling the sale of ammunition to persons certified to own guns instead of anyone who has money?