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Smoking Ban Status

Smoking bans will get taken up on both ends of  Market Street Monday.  The Indiana House of Representatives will vote on a proposal that would ban smoking in most public places except casinos and racinos, cigar bars, private clubs, and hookah bars.  It would also grant an 18-month exemption to bars and taverns in order to give them time to adapt to a new ban.

At the City-County building, the Council will take up a ban that does pretty much the same thing, without an exemption for bars and taverns.  However the CCC version would ban smoking in private clubs if they allow people under 18.

From what I’ve been able to gather, both measures are on thin ice and may never become law.  On the state level, members of the House are all over the place on a smoking ban.  There are members who want a total ban, some that want no ban, some that want a ban with exemptions, etc.   And even if the House were able to get something through (which it has in the past),  over on the Senate, things are still as sketchy because lawmakers are still all over the place and there is no real concensus.

On the city side, Indianapolis Mayor Greg Ballard has told me that he will not  sign a smoking ban that doesn’t give some leeway to private clubs. The issue is whether a club can be smoking and still allow minors, especially if the minors and smoke will never come into contact with each other because they are on separate floors.   City-County Councilor Ryan Vaughn reportedly plans to offer an amendment that pretty much does that and the Mayor has made it clear that is the only way he will sign a smoking ban.

Democrat Angela Mansfield, smoking ban author, has accused the Mayor of flip-flopping on the issue.  Regardless, Democrats may have enough votes to pass a smoking ban, but they do not have enough votes to override a Mayoral veto, especially after the move by CCC member Vernon Brown to reduce the number of Republicans on committees. That apparently has caused a lot of bad blood and practically guaranteed that Democrats will never be able to override a veto (which takes 20 votes) anytime soon.

  • John Howard

    Texas has ‘private clubs’ selling alcohol due to some absurd law.  You buy the ‘membership’ as you walk in the front door.

    Expect the same here…

  • Dave

    UtopiAnnas (extrospective, officious, power trippers) are obsessed with the behavior of others; an insidious & deflective excuse, for their control addiction sustained by the promise of regulatory crack.  

    They should live their religion with their money & time; to serve their exclusive interests in offense-free safe zones or sensitivity sanctum.  They could report back on a regular basis & let us know how they’re doing.              

  • Pascal

    I don’t give a rip about all this banning but I do wonder how it got worked out that “the trades” were exempted from the RTW  and how did that language come about?  Too, there are some dots to be connected there, I suspect.

  • Abdul

    Trades are not exempted, per se in Indiana’s law.  RTW supporters say there is already a hiring hall exemption built into the federal law so it was not necessary at the local level.

  • Pascal

    What they say and what might be true might very well be different.  You had an intelligent poster from the trades crying about RTW.  So, why was he crying?

  • Southsider

    Marriott, Dallas Tx, 1977,  $3. Gotta love those expense accounts. 

  • Dave

    The Indiana House proposal is statist crap; state run “enterprise,” to the exclusion of legitimate private enterprise.  State run casinos (gaming “industry” protection racquets) are somehow more important; Constitutionally or…? 

  • Clutch Cargo

    Food causes obesity, diabetes, various cancers, is a choking hazard and produces hazardous waste material. Vehicles and roads are the number one cause of traffic fatalities, pollution the environment and they cause many other serious injuries.Water is the number one cause of drowning. It is dangerous in all forms, from its frozen state, to its boiling state, to its vaporous state.Politics is the leading cause of stress, poverty, homelessness, failed families, and business. It is also the most prevalent form of corruption.We need to ban all of these things, immediately, for our own good!

  • Pissed off in Franklin

    My only question: What will Zack and the Wack pack take away from us next

  • Donyboy1

    The article in Monday’s Star cites the major area of contention at the local level is whether these Veteran Halls, should they remain smoking, be permitted to have children, and if so, in what area?  It would seem reasonable that if you have a smoking establishment that children would not be allowed.  However, I’ve never seen a Mayor so blatant as to claim he would veto the Council’s proposal if children are excluded from smoke!  Let me repeat: the Mayor says I will sign a non-smoking ban only if children can enter a smoking establishment.   And this from a mayor who claims to care about public safety.  What does it say about his attitude toward our children?

  • Dave

    You’ll no doubt love the idea, that adults will make those imperfect decisions; much as they do in their own homes…  

  • Think Again

    You are absolutely 100% correct.  That’s what he’s saying, in effect.  Call his office and demand that he sign this ordinance.

  • Uatu

    Quite correct, Sir.
    I have watched this latest debate, as I Watch all others.  And the only thing I can offer is that any parent or person who would abdicate their role as protector of their child..to the Government, is either lazy or ignorant of their own responsibility.

  • Anonymous

    “is either lazy or ignorant of their own responsibility…”

    … or a low-life, scum sucking, bottom feeding liberal

  • Anonymous

    If you two think this is about children, you’re as delusional as I always suspected.

    Children are already BANNED from bars…so, now what is your fracking excuse?

    Oh, I know…you don’t want to be personally accountable for your decisions…let nanny government make the choice for you.

    Or worse, people of your ilk, being the fracking cowards that you are, won’t go to a business owner that allows the LEGAL practice of smoking, and smack a cigarette out of their mouth.

    No, you fracking cowards use the force of government.

    Fracking pathetic.