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Smoking ban proponents have officially introduced an expanded smoking ban ordinance, but it is unlikely Indianapolis Mayor Greg Ballard will sign it.

The proposal is similar to the one offered by outgoing City-County Council President Ryan Vaughn, in the fact that it expands the current smoking ban to include all bars and taverns, however there are exceptions for cigar bars (provided 20% of their gross sales comes from tobacco), hookah bars and retail tobacco shops.  The major change is private clubs.  In the Vaughn proposal, private clubs were exempt but members had to vote whether they would stay smoking, in the new version, a private club would have to go non-smoking if it allowed in people under 18.

I interviewed Ballard on this last week for Indy Politics.  You can listen to his comments here.  In a nutshell, he seemed very cool to the idea of that provision, saying a “private club is a private club.”  My read is that the measure won’t pass with that provision in it.  If proponents would take that out, they would likely get 90% of what they want.

Of course to be fair, I am told there are some members of the Council who want to introduce a total ban with no exemptions, which will never happen, and to even throw that thought out there tells me they must be smoking something other than cigarettes.

The new Council meets Monday night at 7 p.m.  Democrats will have a 16-13 majority.

  • John Howard

    Several times in the past few weeks, we saw news of yet another business making their own decision to go smoke free.  That’s the way it should work, not via some political hammer being dropped upon us.

  • Patriot Paul

    It’s not unusual for either the Council or the Statehouse to fall on its sword. 

  • Lindsgrace

    You are a incorrect. The age provision for private clubs is not new and different from Vaughn’s proposal he introduced. It was not until the committee hearing in which that exemption was amended to remove the age provision. And, if you remember, both sides and the Mayor said they would sign it as introduced, WITH the minors provision INCLUDED. Don’t try and spin it. 

  • Gmoore9643

    If we are so concerned about smoking and the effects of it, then why not just outlaw it completely.

    I find it amusing that the anti smoking crowd always attacks private interprise that adults choose to frequent, wether as an employee or a customer.  No one is forcing these adults into these businesses. 

    Now if second hand smoke is truely bad then how about we ban smoking in private residences and automobiles where there are children who don’t get to make a choice?

  • Anonymous

    Don’t worry.  It’s coming.  They’re just taking smaller steps to get there.

  • Anonymous

    Lindsgrace, do you have a problem with adults making their OWN decisions, and taking PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for their actions?

    Or, would you prefer that government make all of those decisions for you?

  • Think Again

    Aires: when an adult’s decisionk has consequences to others, it’s different.  When those adults can walk around freely, with their smoke staying strictly within their lungs, so be it.  Until then, government has every right–even the responsiblity–to regulate it.

  • Think Again

    Aires: when an adult’s decisionk has consequences to others, it’s different.  When those adults can walk around freely, with their smoke staying strictly within their lungs, so be it.  Until then, government has every right–even the responsiblity–to regulate it.

  • Dave

    There are many of us who don’t like second hand smoke.  But, the right / freedom / liberty to associate is also the right to disassociate; which trumps the baited, officious misdirection of statism (falsely promoted as humanity’s solution, on the insane basis that we’re somehow one or more regulations from utopia).    

  • Anonymous

    TA, what in the world are you talking about? “when an adult’s decision has consequences to others…”

    1-Property owner decides to allow smoking on HIS property.
    2-Property owner tells his staff that they are free to leave his property at any time they are uncomfortable with his business decision.
    3-Property owner places LARGE signs on his property, informing all people who want to enter HIS PROPERTY that this is a smoking establishment.  If they do NOT want to be exposed to tobacco products, please go the any of the other hundreds of businesses that are smoke-free.

    In your world, having about 80-90 percent of the restaurants, clubs, bars, etc., smoke free, isn’t enough for you.

    You and your ilk won’t be happy until government can ban any activity YOU don’t like.

    What you are going to do when they come after something that YOU like?

    When they manage to ban smoking, where will the tobacco taxes come from that fund some of your precious social programs?

    You remember those, right?  The ones that we were PROMISED would NOT become “entitlements”, and that would be funded solely by tobacco taxes.

    How many kids will die because you fracking libs won’t take personal responsibility for your actions and decision?

    People like you have me fantasizing about violent acts upon those who would trample my liberty.

  • Anonymous

    TA, what in the world are you talking about? “when an adult’s decision has consequences to others…”

    1-Property owner decides to allow smoking on HIS property.
    2-Property owner tells his staff that they are free to leave his property at any time they are uncomfortable with his business decision.
    3-Property owner places LARGE signs on his property, informing all people who want to enter HIS PROPERTY that this is a smoking establishment.  If they do NOT want to be exposed to tobacco products, please go the any of the other hundreds of businesses that are smoke-free.

    In your world, having about 80-90 percent of the restaurants, clubs, bars, etc., smoke free, isn’t enough for you.

    You and your ilk won’t be happy until government can ban any activity YOU don’t like.

    What you are going to do when they come after something that YOU like?

    When they manage to ban smoking, where will the tobacco taxes come from that fund some of your precious social programs?

    You remember those, right?  The ones that we were PROMISED would NOT become “entitlements”, and that would be funded solely by tobacco taxes.

    How many kids will die because you fracking libs won’t take personal responsibility for your actions and decision?

    People like you have me fantasizing about violent acts upon those who would trample my liberty.