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This Week In History

It almost got away from me but it four years ago this week history was made here in Indiana.   I know you’re scratching your head right now trying to figure out exactly what it was, let me help.  It was four years ago this past Monday that a small group of tax protesters went to the Governor’s residence at 46th and Meridian and protested their property tax bills which were going through the roof.

There were only about 20-30 of them, but they made enough noise and stayed organized that that protest led to hundreds of people showing up to dump their tax bills in the river and a thousand or show showed up on Monument Circle on a Sunday afternoon in August to protest.  When you throw in the unique political climate of the year, the incumbent Mayor of Indianapolis was thrown out of office which in turned scared the bejesus out of the Indiana legislature which in turn led to property tax caps and an amendment this past year to the state Constitution.

Now we can argue whether the tax caps have been a good idea.  I frankly think they have been and the whining and complaining by some local officials is indicative an inability to look for efficiencies and consolidate services.  However, I think the bigger issue is the fact that a handful of people didn’t like how things were going and got organized and stayed the course and their actions led to a fundamental change and structure in their government.    And it wasn’t 1776, it was 2007.

  • Jack

    Determining fair market value of property that sells is likely to be fairly easy except for the many ways property can be sold or listed on the sales disclosurer–example: sale to relative is often well below a price that would have been set in regular market conditions or on sales disclosurer for various taxation purposes the sale price is broke down to include chattel property items sometimes at inflated prices (avoid higher land and infrasturcture prices) and are eligible for depreciation.  Most properties do not sell on an annual basis so it is required that properties be classed into specified groupings and an estimated fair market value is to be determined then annually a formula used to establish what happened to value within that grouping. (Yes, assessed value can go up or down and by various percentages.)  If only it was as easy (done according to state specified methodology) as some people believe.  Yes, there are assessor departments that do better than others, and yes sometimes favoritism may slip through an audit—and yes property owners lie about many features of their property.

  • Mely

    Andy Horning called me to help do the rally when he heard through Mark Rutherford I was rallying the neighbors.

    It’s a good thing Andy called because I would have had no idea what to say to my neighbors.  All I knew is that I had to get them united against the politicians who put them in the mess.

  • Dave

    It’s called uniformity Jack; one state (DLGF), one standard.  Beyond a galaxy of complexity lies a universe of obscurity, and while it’s free market determination (not a determination of state), valuation ain’t rockit siunce.

    It’s state contrived not “required” in terms of value, that property be classified.  Valuation is determined by the private sector- period.  Anything other than that, is inept gaming of the productive sector.  

    If a commercial property or residential home each sold for $100K (US dollars, not Euros or Yuan, no “complicated” currency exchange issues); hyper-inflating the assessment of one over the other (1% vs. 3%) isn’t legitimate, it’s gaming- it’s socialism.  State attempts at “quantitative easing,” or money printing, can be found in an obscure universe of bond bloat & inflation by “assessment classification” exchange schemes (commercial value of $100K is converted to $103K), in state speak; a language of “complexity.”  

    Those who prefer to speak “state,” don’t seem to have the best interests of citizens in mind; however intended / witting, enslaving them by percentages, of “complexity.”           

  • Jack

    I suppose something was said that makes some sense to someone.  An interesting point is that people expect certain services to be available, granted there is disagreement on whether government should be providing or everyone should rely on the private sector to achieve this.  Of course, if one completely endorses free market concept for everything and endorses hands off as to any oversight by anyone (subsitute “government” if you please) then anything speaking of local or state or federal government is contrary to their philosophy.  The fact that the government seeks to establish a uniform system of taxation and system of rules as to how calculations are to be determined would likely be contrary to the everyone go it alone philosophy.  Interestingly often observe that the go it alone folks tend to get very upset when there is little to no assistance provided for their problems–police do not respond quickly or sufficently, or roads are not kept to their desires, an appeal of some taxation or other gievence does not agree with what they sought, etc….  Brings to mind a local farmer who is strongly advocating tea party philosophy but is one of top receiver of farm subsidies in the county –some where there seems to  be a disconnect.  Likewise very unhappy about county roads in his area “because he pays lots of property taxes” (of course any such information that property taxes do not pay for roads is ignored.)  Again, great country that we all can co-exist.

  • Dave

    Until its recaptured, and time’s running short, American greatness is being relegated to the past tense.

    Again, government only has what it gets, from the productivity of the private / productive sector.  

    You mentioned in an earlier post, a property owner who paid $300K and appealed for a lower assessed value of $250K.  There are many more stories where assessments exceed purchase or actual value, and Marion County has the backlog proof.  Folks with these problems aren’t hard to find.  

    Within the past two years, one local real estate investor made an “opportunity of a lifetime offer” to a well known local assessor; who declined, due either to stupidity or dishonesty.  When the assessor insisted that two of the investor’s properties were easily worth $150K each, the investor wrote up an offer form for that assessor to sign, to purchase each property @ $120K each or $240K for both, a “windfall” of $60K by simply having the “professional knowledge” to make such a determination.  The not so capable assessor failed to make the deal of a lifetime & refused to properly lower his value guess.  Within that same time period, the investor sold one property for $110K & the second for nearly $115K, vowing to avoid Indiana “investment property” (this investor had apts & many well kept rentals prior to the tax debacle), which he’s done ever since & is currently making plans to leave the state (don’t know how much “better” things are in TX or FL).        

  • pascal

    Fair market value was NOT mandated by Judge Fisher, as best I can tell, but was a dumbocrap back door tax increase by Joe Kernan.