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Oh, IPS!!!

Back in January of 2007, I wrote that it was time to give Indianapolis Public Schools the “Barbaro” treatment.   For those of you not familiar with horse racing, Barbaro was a world class Kentucky Derby race horse who broke his leg and had to be shot.

Here’s an excerpt…

Using the words of Superintendent Eugene White, the school district is failing. Students at the middle and high school level aren’t cutting the grade. The dropout rate is ridiculous. And any effort to bring more competition to the area is met with the staunchest opposition. So with all that, what’s a pundit to advocate? Give IPS the “Barbaro” treatment. Take it out and shoot it.

That may sound harsh, but sometimes you need to dish out tough love. The system is not working, by its own admission. And if something isn’t working you fix it. When you can’t fix it, get rid of it and get a new one. IPS can’t be fixed.

Fast forward more than four years later, what’s changed?  Students are still failing, teachers are being fired, the State of Indiana has drafted plans to take over several failing schools enrollment is still declining and what’s Superintendent Eugene White’s response?   Tell parents that if they take their kids out of IPS and to a neighborning school district, they can’t come back for a year.

Is that a threat or a reward?  If you really wanted to do parents a favor you would ban them from ever coming back to IPS.

White is trying to stem declining enrollment, which I can sympathize with, but threatening people is no way to get them stay put, usually that’s a sign that you want them to leave.

Here’s a thought put out a quality product, stop whining about competition, engage in good customer service,  and stop practicing education genocide and  you’ll be amazed how your classrooms fill up.

Oh and by the way, I’ve been doing some checking and it looks like Dr. White is advocating breaking the law because you can’t deny a student enrollment absent no room or disciplinary issues.

  • pascal

    Expecting quality performance from socialism is insane. IPS is an island of socialism. So long as it is then it is not going to be fixed. It lacks the tools which cannnot be supplied to a socialist beast. Think of soviet collective farms (they still exist and are a large part of the ag sector there). Tractors were to be their salvation. There have been any number of “saviors” of socialist schooling-none have worked-none will work. The model doesn’t even work in theory.

  • Think Again

    I never cease to be amazed at the casual use of words like “socialism” and “radical.” Hint: after over-use, the words lose their cache. And then you just become the loudest voice screaming “socialist” while the rest of the world casually ignores you and moves about their business.

    Over/under date on Dr. White being in office: Dec. 31. I’ll take over. He may be controversial, but he’s a survivor. He makes the rules. That entire IPS world revolves around his orb.

    Sad but true.

  • MH

    TA, I never cease to be amazed at your daily pedantic, chiding dissenting opinions against practically every other poster. Hint: after over-use, your words lose their cache. And then you just become the loudest voice screaming “wrong!” while the rest of the world casually ignores you and moves about their business.

    However, I know I also am ‘wrong’ in posting this. The entire Indiana Barrister world revolves around your orb.

    Sad but true.

  • indglass

    Abdul, in IPS and the surrounding districts, there is a big problem of kids bouncing around between schools and districts, and it is very difficult for schools to be effective with students who change schools every couple of months. I don’t disagree that it feels like a punishment, but the bright side of White’s policy is that it may help cut down on that a little bit.

    pascal, any government control over an economic exchange is an example of socialism. You are correct that IPS is socialist, but so is every public school and other government program in the country, so what is your point?

  • Think Again

    I actually like this too.

  • Think Again

    He likes to rattle the words around in his head. “Socialist.” The ring is loud and it entertains him. So be it.

    In most Indy school districts, an act as simple as an apartment complex’s loss of Sec. 8 status, can move large numbers of students.

    The buildings, staff and programs have to be available every single day in every single publilc school, for every single potential student. That is not a dynamic private or charter schools face. It’s a huge infrastructure concern and cost. There may be a solution, but it’s been difficult to locate.

    MH, was that “pedantic” enough for you? Or should I break it down more? My orb seriously wants to know. Do you have a solution for this issue?

  • Pogden297

    Indglass, I think Abdul’s point is that Whie’s “policy” would be a violation of Indiana law. My guess is that White was just blowing off smoke and no such policy exists. If it does, he can expect a very successful lawsuit to be filed against IPS.

  • Think Again

    I would hope that a well-paid and educated leader of 35000 school children, would know better than to sound-off in public like that. Blowing off smoke is childish in most settings, for a school Superintendent, it’s malfeasant. He is supposed to be a good example to his charges.

  • Dave

    With a few conditions, Superintendent White’s wish could be accommodated, if scaled down; at a significant discount, for instructional purposes.

    Scale down public education’s managed outcome concept (failure rates approaching 70%), or reduce IPS 90% to !0% of its current size. Maintain its top heavy proportions, keeping salaries the same for those in this adult daycare system; then, expose students to this system, protectively and solely, on a quarterly basis; to educate them on the Constitutional perils of off charter abuse posed as “good government.” It could serve as a living history museum of failure, complete with “non-profit” status…

  • Listen Up

    TA, easy way to fix your dilemma of hearing ‘socialist’,etc., is not to listen. No one requires you to view others’ comments, much less respond to them. Rather than sitting in chronic judgment of others, why not temper your remarks to something positive

  • patriot paul

    TA, if the Indy Star article quote is correct, you have just called White ‘childish’ and guilty of ‘maleficent’ (not malfeasant) in addition to not being a good example.
    ‘Students who transfer but wish to return to IPS will have to wait a full school year to re-enroll, White said Tuesday.
    “You’re going to stay there,” he said. “We aren’t going to let you back in.”‘
    http://www.indystar.com/article/20110511/LOCAL18/105110331/IPS-board-OKs-cutting-357-positions?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|News

  • pascal

    You speak for yourself and poorly at that. Socialist precisely describes IPS, exactly describes IPS.

  • Scooter

    What is Dr ‘Smooth Threads’ White & IPS screaming about?

    When an Indiana student departs one public school for another, the 1st school continues to receive a fair amount of $$$’s for several years after the departure.

    Seems like ‘ol Smooth Threads would kinda like that…. getting $$$’s for not having a kid in the school system anymore, and welcoming that same kid back as a new student.

    Nice way to ‘double-dip’…. I’m just sayin’.

  • pascal

    We can’t complain about schools if we don’t know why they cannot perform. While I am sure that the schools are a socialist model I am not so sure about all of the other government programs. I do think Indiana is beginning to see that you can’t fix performance of socialists. I’m not sure that Indiana sees that its control of schools is an economic exchange. It is pretty one way if it is. We want, I think, the consumer good of “education” and we have just begun to alter the means of delivery of same.

  • Pogden297

    PP, give me one example of a kid denied re-entry into IPS. I still think White can’t seriously believe he can legally do that.

    I agree with TA though that blowing off steam (I said “smoke” but meant “steam”) in public isn’t a good idea for a public official like Dr. White.

  • Pogden297

    PP, give me one example of a kid denied re-entry into IPS. I still think White can’t seriously believe he can legally do that.

    I agree with TA though that blowing off steam (I said “smoke” but meant “steam”) in public isn’t a good idea for a public official like Dr. White.

  • Rico

    …. like the Obama crowd using the word ‘racist’?

  • Think Again

    As a matter of fact, nothing like that.

    I’m real happy with how I speak, Pascal. But you carry on. If you must.

  • Think Again

    Good idea.

  • Think Again

    I didn’t see that exact quote from White–I tried to link it just now and couldn’t Will try again later. I can’t understand if D.r White is talking about students who CURRENTLY try to transfer back in (God knows why they would but some prob. do), or what he PLANS to do in the future.

    I heard him on Amos Brown’s radio show this aft. It was a sad performance. Sad for our city.Malfeasant works too, Paul. I like both terms equally.

  • Think Again

    Scooter–it only work that way if the Average Daily Membership (ADM) count is done poorly or improperly.

    Although, in all honesty, it usually does stay at the “old” school until the next fall. The state could and should’ve insisted on tighter auditing decades ago. It’s equally their fault.

  • pascal

    Who ever thought White was “well educated”?

  • Wurstnitemare

    This man is a walking PR nightmare.If he was in the real world he would last about ten seconds. Seriously,Im starting to think that he has pictures of board members doing very strange things.How else can you explain him holding on to his job.

  • Wurstnitemare

    Im sayen he has pictures

  • Pogden297

    I’m not doubting White said something that dumb. I’m doubting such a policy exists or will ever exist.

  • Ramon

    Eugene White has almost destroyed IPS. It is time for him to go…quickly!!!

  • Scooter

    TA – “-it only work that way if the Average Daily Membership (ADM) count is done poorly or improperly.”

    This is IPS we are talking about. Math? Honesty? What are those in ‘that’ world?

  • Think Again

    Ok, point made…he has three degrees. “Well” is a relative term.

  • Think Again

    Look, you can be angry at Dr. White all you want. You can decry the lousy grad rate, whatever.

    But the ADM count is done by teachers and building-level personnel, and there is little or no room for corruption. The numbers don’t lie–they’re been on a downward enrollment slide for 20 year.s