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Treacy v. Parker?

I thought I was done for a while with the perpetual stories of Marion County Democratic Chairman Ed Treacy’s inability to play well with others like 7th District Congressman Andre Carson and Mayoral candidate Melina Kennedy, however the fates have decided on a different course of action this morning and this tale takes us by the Charlie White voter fraud civil  trial and Treacy’s not so great relationship with IDP Chairman Dan Parker.  Sit tight folks, this one is good.

As you know Indiana Democrats have filed suit in Marion County Court to have Charlie White removed from office and Vop Osili declared Secretary of State.  They say White wasn’t a legally registered voter when he filed for Secretary of State and his election should be declared null and void.  Marion County Judge Louis Rosenberg, a strong and loyal partisan from everything I’ve been able to learn about his record, ordered the Indiana Recount Commission to rehear the case it originally dismissed last year.  And the public impression regarding Judge Rosenberg is that he has been no-nonsense about the entire matter.

However, from what I’ve been able to piece together, as always from multiple sources which help me draw a composite, is Judge Rosenberg originally did not want to get involved in the matter, however he was getting a lot of pressure from a group of stalwart Democrats at the state and local level.  Rosenberg then reportedly went to Chairman Ed Treacy to get permission to go forward and to also drag Republican Party GOP Chairman Eric Holcomb into all this as well.

Treacy allegedly saw this as an opportunity to go after current State Chairman Dan Parker.  There is no love lost between the two.  Treacy was reportedly part of a coup that tried to have Parker ousted as Chairman two years ago and he’s still reportedly furious at Parker for what went down at a mid-February meeting concerning the upcoming Governor’s race.

At that meeting Parker, former gubernatorial candidate Jim Schellinger, former Lt. Governor and City of Indianapolis Comptroller Kathy Davis and former Congressional Candidate and State Public Health Director Woody Myers all met with former Speaker and soon to be announced candidate for Governor John Gregg at State party headquarters to talk about Gregg running for Governor.  There were no representatives from the Democrats’ key constituent groups: leadership from the traditional African-American base, the LGBT community and the Marion County Democratic Party, thus the reason for Treacy’s anger.  I meant to write about this back in February but then the House Democrat walkout occurred and it got pushed to the back burner.

So Abdul, what does this have to do with the Charlie White trial?  Everything.  The logic behind the White trial, my sources tell me, that if Rosenberg can find that White was ineligible to run for Secretary of State and gives the office to Osili, then Treacy can take credit for doing something the IDP could not do, win a statewide office.  This increases Treacy’s influence statewide.  Which by the way, he has been quietly placing candidates in key positions for upcoming state party elections so Parker can be removed from office.

Hey, I know it sounds crazy, but apparently my last two posts hit quite the nerve with the Chairman because of how close they were to the mark so I’ll be interested to see what the end result of this one is.  Of course if any of the key players mentioned in this post would like to dispute what I have written I plan to be at 300 East Sunday afternoon between four and six for the Marion County Democratic Party free chili supper and rally.  My digital tape recorder and I will be more than happy to take down anything they’re willing to say.

  • cynical sam

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  • Think Again

    You’re right, or partially so, about some of the key elements of this case except Judge Rosenberg and John Gregg.

    The judge is a Democrat, to be sure. But he’s impartial. Your keen defense of everything-Charlie-White is clouding your judgment. It would be improper for a sitting judge to consult with a political party chair about a potential or pending case.

    And Gregg sought the meeting to discuss a potential candidacy. The invites were loosely thrown-together. Kathy Davis isn’t a player any more–which is sad, because she’s smarter than most of the folks you mentioned. And when she left the LG’s chair, we got the current LiteGov. Oy.

    The thing is, I heard this exact series of rumors early last week, from the mouth of some key Republicans. I couldn’t tell if it was wishful thinking, damage control or the truth.

    I think you may have been played.

    By the by, the judge kept jurisdiction of the case–a very smart move. And his action this week prompted the state GOP chair to finally name a replacement on the Recount Commission. After two weeks of playing out the clock. Holcomb is a good guy–on this case, he’s trapped. No-win.

    You can stir all you want. The fact is, White shouldn’t have been a candidate. Todd Rokita should’ve rooted that out, and he balked. The GOP powerful know White is history, it’s just a matter of when. I don’t know if he’s criminally guilty of anything, but two respected prosecutors, one from each party, concluded such–overwhelmingly.

    Politically, i hope White hangs around for awhile. He’s the gift that keep son giving. His wife even petitioned for pauper counsel. All because he didn’t want to give up a Fishers Town Council gig. Who knew that was such a powerful position?

    Tee-hee.

  • Abdul

    FYI, I’m not defending Charlie. If you remember my blog post a while back, I said Charlie should step down until the matter is resolved.

  • Abdul

    FYI, I’m not defending Charlie. If you remember my blog post a while back, I said Charlie should step down until the matter is resolved.

  • Token Charlie White Guy

    This the best you could find this morning?
    Boooooorrrrrriiiiiiinnnnngggg

  • Wurstnitemare

    Interesting that Abdul is trashing the Ds for not being inclusive.Hmmmm.Wasnt it The MCRCC and Tommy that filled a position on the CCC that was help by a black man with a hand picked Hispanic. The MCRCC has never been inclusive.If you went to the Republicaan slating it was as lilly white as Charlie White hometown of Fishers.

    The MCRCC has no intentions of including blacks in their mix.Name one Afro American that is involved in the party except for Aaron Williams.

    As for Charlie white and what the Republicans did may be the single most discusting this I have ever seen in this state.They didnt like the rules of the game so they changed them.I am very dissapointed in the party for this move.

    The only hope that the Ds have is that this issue hits more naitonal news and thus putting pressure on Mitch.If Mitch wants to be a man of higher values,then he should do the right thing and appoint Vop Osili as the SOS.That would be a great move on his part and some great medicine for our sick political state of affairs.

    I know Im dreaming about that last one.But from what I know about Vop he seems to be a good man who really does care about his state and his community.

  • MH

    “The judge is a Democrat, to be sure. But he’s impartial. Your keen defense of everything-Charlie-White is clouding your judgment. It would be improper for a sitting judge to consult with a political party chair about a potential or pending case. ”

    ‘Impartial’? ‘Improper’ ?

    I take it you enjoyed the 70’s show “Fantasy Island”??

    Not to single this judge out, but he IS a politically elected figure, and thus dependant to some extent (not as much as a non-judge candidate) on the whims of the Chair.

    De Plane, Ed, De Plane! (with apologies to the late Herve Villechaize)

  • Think Again

    I’ve heard your show. But, point made. It would’ve been better if you said: he was never qualified to be on the ballot in the first place. And SOS Rokita flagrantly violated his oath by not concluding such.

  • Think Again

    Wow. Learn up, pal. Judge Rosenberg’s reputation is honored among lawyers of all parties.

    There are some Superior Courts where partisanship rules. On both sides of the aisle. Mr. Treacy is starkly familiar with that.

  • MH

    Uh, TA..did you drink your breakfast this morning? I stated earlier that I wasn’t singling this judge out..but if you think that there may not have been some partisanship going on, well…I’ll take a shot of whatever you had. That..AGAIN, is not an indictment on the man so much as the position, which is, um, political.

    No need to be so testy and touchy. Geeze.

  • Guest

    If andre was at that meeting, than Ed shouldn’t have his panties in a bunch bc andre is Marion county.

  • Pogden297

    From my experience, Judge Rosenberg is one of the more fair, reasonable, by-the-book judges on the Marion County bench. If he is taking calls and having meetings with D officials about a case before him that would certainly violate ethical rules. I know that D and R partisans have had meetings with judges before, but meetings about a pending case before a judge? I can’t imagine that many judges would go for that.

  • ramon

    It seems Abdul is now engaging in a Feud of the Week among Democrats. This may tell how little is going on in GOP ranks. Abdul does not have the inside info he claims. He just likes to throw out stories to try and get a reaction.

  • MH

    Better look out Abdul..apparently you are being accused of some misconduct, from another blogger.

  • Think Again

    You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about.

  • Think Again

    Again? Damn. Blogs are ENTERTAINMENT, folks.

    And Pascal is right about the Judge.

  • patriot paul

    Gossip is sharing private information with those who are not part of the problem or part of the solution.
    When you speak things about others that you would be ashamed to say in their presence, you are not only disobeying God’s Word (Leviticus 19:16), you are also destroying that person’s reputation in the mind of your listener.

    Scripture states that the sin of gossip is not limited to the spreading of lies alone, but also includes the improper involvement of yourself in another’s personal business (1 Timothy 5:13).

    Even to participate in the act of gossip as a listener is sin (Proverbs 20:19). By willfully listening to the one who gossips, you sanction the destruction of the other person’s reputation.

    What Scripture Says
    “For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I wish, and that I shall be found by you such as you do not wish; lest there be contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, backbitings, whisperings, conceits, tumults”
    (2 Corinthians 12:20).

    “You shall not go about as a talebearer among your people; nor shall you take a stand against the life of your neighbour: I am the Lord” (Leviticus 19:16).

    “And besides they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house, and not only idle but also gossips and busybodies, saying things which they ought not”
    (1 Timothy 5:13).

    “For I heard many mocking: ‘Fear on every side!’ ‘Report,’ they say, ‘and we will report it.’ All my acquaintances watched for my stumbling, saying, ‘…we will take our revenge on him'” (Jeremiah 20:10).

  • Indyernie

    Right or wrong Paul might be a little disappointed with you giving Pascal credit for Paul’s insight.

  • Abdul

    Paul,

    I’m Islamic so what you wrote doesn’t apply to me. But thanks for playing.

  • Jhays

    Qur’an (16:106) – Establishes that there are circumstances that can “compel” a Muslim to tell a lie.

    Qur’an (3:28) – This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to “guard themselves.”

    Qur’an (9:3) – “…Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters…” The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

    Qur’an (2:225) – “Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts”

    Qur’an (66:2) – “Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths”

    Qur’an (3:54) – “And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.” The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also
    8:30 and 10:21)

    Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be “compelled” to deceive others for a greater purpose.

  • Jhays

    Qur’an (16:106) – Establishes that there are circumstances that can “compel” a Muslim to tell a lie.

    Qur’an (3:28) – This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to “guard themselves.”

    Qur’an (9:3) – “…Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters…” The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

    Qur’an (2:225) – “Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts”

    Qur’an (66:2) – “Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths”

    Qur’an (3:54) – “And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.” The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also
    8:30 and 10:21)

    Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be “compelled” to deceive others for a greater purpose.

  • patriot paul

    I had forgotten about that. It’s ok for Muslims to say anything they want to non-Muslims; just as long as they speak the truth from 1 Muslim to another.

  • Abdul

    Actually I can say whatever I want. I’m Abdul!

  • David
  • Think Again

    I doubt you care about accuracy all that much Ernie, what with your part-time Hate Andre/Love Ballard job. But my observation as Post No. 2 credited Judge Rosenberg’s integrity.

    Do you even know the judge, or anything about his court?

    You do know the difference between the one Circuit Court, and the umpteen Superior Courts, don’t you?

    Write when you get work.

  • Think Again

    Ahhhhh, Leviticus. The oft-debated book of the Bible.

    Its source is also hotly debated. From Wiki:

    “According to Jewish and Christian tradition, God dictated the Book of Leviticus to Moses as He did the other books of the Bible. Modern scholarship sees it as a product of the Priestly source and the 5th century BCE.”

    In other words, tred lightly when relying on Leviticus without proper context. Lest adultering women be stoned to death, and similar holy nonsense.

    But the switch to Muslim holy writings was a smooth move. Very nimble.

    I’ve got some Dr. Seuss that waxes eloquent on life. Care to quote that, too?

  • Indy

    Jen Wagner gave this to Abdul. Remember – she is his only Democratic source. She (along with Dan Parker) was also beaten by Jeff Harris and JLT in the 2008 gubernatorial primary. Everyone knows there is no love loss between Jen Wagner and the MCDP. They know how to win elections. She does not. Which is one reason why she shovels this kind of stuff to Abdul…who has yet to actually scoop a “real story”.

  • cynical sam

    I’m always up for some Seuss. I would recommend you complete your ensemble with some Mark Twain and Ambrose Bierce’s Dictionary.

  • Dave

    The only way to settle this is a chairman’s challenge; a championship round of “belly buck-buck,” downtown, on the circle. Ernie can’t referee, but he could do commentary.

  • patriot paul

    Don’t get Tully around the circle unless you want screaming and running into the street.

  • Circle Jerk

    You and Think Again could do a circle jerk, while Abdul holds a tin cup for donations

  • Wurstnitemare

    Indy, Once again and I will type very slowly so you will understand this.Jen Wagner is a wanna be,she has no clue as to what is going on in the market.I promise you that while she may slip Abdul a few tid bits,she is not he main sourse of informaiton.
    Jen Wagneris a no body,if she did have the husband she does,she woudl be even less of a no body.She has manages to piss off just about everyone she has ever worked with.

    While Abduls ego could fill “The Luke” (I like to say that just to piss Forest off) he knows how to play the game and has contacts on both sides.

    There are malcontents in both parties that will gladly shovel some dirt Abduls way. Abdul plays the game very well.

  • Wurstnitemare

    I woudl pay to see Ernie and Wilson go at it on the circle at high noon.

  • Wurstnitemare

    Dude, you have way too much time on your hands, you must belong to a union.

  • Wurstnitemare

    TA, damn I was waiting for him to start quoting fromthe book of Abdul.

  • Noname

    Would Indy please move on? Stop obsessing. She worked for the President and you did not. I’m sure she could care less. Stop anonymously maligning people without a shred of evidence.

  • Wurstnitemare

    No Name , I also work for the president. $.30 out of every buck I make go to his bailouts,funky car sale and of course the free money for the dog park in Evansville and the new cultural trail.

    I work so he can spend money any way he wants.

    Plese show me the campaigns that she managed and won.She has the same track record as Tom John. She is there becuase of her husband.

  • Pogden297

    You should clarify you’re talking to Patriot Paul not THE Paul

  • indyernie

    TA just when did I post anything about Judge Rosenberg? IF I were to bash him it would be his politics and NOT because I have an opinion as to his legal mind.
    I do care about accuracy TA, it’s the damm democrats who do things halfass.

  • indyernie

    I’m in for that.

  • indyernie

    I’m in for that.

  • Wurstnitemare

    You sure you want to go there bucky? You might take a moment and thnk about it.The water is far deeper and darker on your side of the lake

  • Wurstnitemare

    You sure you want to go there bucky? You might take a moment and thnk about it.The water is far deeper and darker on your side of the lake

  • indyernie

    Pick a charity other than the democrat party or an abortion clinic and I’ll do it.

  • indyernie

    Pick a charity other than the democrat party or an abortion clinic and I’ll do it.

  • Wurstnitemare

    TA, I think that this guy is from thr Marvin Scott school of politics.

    Marvin never knew half as much as he though he did

  • Wurstnitemare

    TA, I think that this guy is from thr Marvin Scott school of politics.

    Marvin never knew half as much as he though he did

  • indyernie

    …but only until Wilson starts to cry. It breaks my heart to see babies cry.

  • indyernie

    …but only until Wilson starts to cry. It breaks my heart to see babies cry.

  • Wurstnitemare

    TA, I have met the judge several times, and have seen some of his ruleings.He seems like a good guy and if a straight shooter…