Abdul,
First, you are wrong. In the criminal trial, Bisard is NOT being accused of driving drunk in a squad car!!! You know that is not true and that is insulting to LEOs and your readers.

It is also insulting for you as an Attorney (I think you probably are a good one) to not understand the concept of FOP members honoring DUE PROCESS.

Also as an Attorney, you know that evidence is weighed. Lack of physical evidence of alcohol use, 20 plus testimonial evidence of no alcohol use, Medical evidence proving no alcohol use weighs very heavy. Add in the brake failure and I have my answer.

You attempt to sway me with a lab test. Well, check INDYSTAR this morning for the lead story and tell me that lab tests are not “SOMETIMES” flawed???? If you do not believe that, you should check the hundreds of DUI cases across the US that has been lost due to faulty lab tests.

Abdul, would you charge a client the large sum of money to contest the test’s validity, if it wasn’t even going to be used during the case??? That seems inefficient and irresponsible.

Abdul, do not worry about the FOP addressing the lack of proper procedures IMPD failed to address. The individual Officer is helpless. Officers have to carry out the procedures they are taught, even if later in a court an Attorney (FOP, Public Defender or Private Council) points out that IMPD failed to have a proper procedure. That does not reflect poorly on the individual Officer, only the oversight of IMPD leadership. And there is no conflict, as you would have us believe.

Finally Abdul, CANDY PERRY???? WOW, what prompted you to pull that one out??? How can you compare an act that Officers do dozens of times in their career (running lights and sirens to back up Officers in the capture of a drug dealer) and an act that Officers could never in a million years imagine themselves doing in a dozen careers (self-initiate a parallel investigation into a homicide)???
I could go on and on. I just wanted to address the ridiculous points you made in this post.

Why wouldn’t Ballard run? He has proven he can do yeoman’s work at crapping money down a rat hole, whilst being lead around like a circus poodle. His campaign slogan should be: “Mendacity without style”. Had enough? Damn right I have! At least Peterstain was an semi-eloquent liar.

Becky Skillman for Governor? I would laugh hysterically; however, that is hard to do concurrent with projectile vomiting…

Bisard and many of the other IMPD debacles seem more like the juxtaposition of throwing LEOs to counterfeit “christians” to keep the m-asses distracted.

NO
That was not Abdul’s point. We all know the FOP is not obligated to defend every single officer. The FOP often tells Officers they do not meet the criteria.

Abdul picked that particular case for a reason.

I did look into the Straub allegations, I haven’t found anything credible yet, just inneundo. Second, unless a post is so off the chain, I let them all stay. Also my point with Candi is simple, she was accused of wrongdoing and was exonerated. Bisard killed somebody and there is *NO* evidence the crime lab messed this one up.

I hope education reform including “pretty much” what’s discussed publicly and includes “better measurements for accountability” will address administrative overhead and seniority trumping performance in some union contracts.

My first wish is to combine the easier target of education reform with state benefits reform in demanding higher standards in subsidized parenting and fewer benefits for non-citizens.

Candy Perry was “exonerated” (more to the story on that and you know it) long after she asked the FOP for assistance. Plus, she did not ask for it even after her “pardon.” How is her lack of asking the FOP’s fault??? In addition, she was not exonerated due to a little thing called “INDIANA STATE LAW”, like Bisard was.

You say there is NO evidence that the crime lab messed this one up. AGAIN=Abdul, would you charge a client the large sum of money to contest the test’s validity, if it wasn’t even going to be used during the case??? That seems inefficient and irresponsible. STATE LAW PROHIBITS the use of the messed up blood sample in the Bisard case!!!!! It would be DUMB to check and see if a sample was messed up by the crime lab if the sample was already messed up prior to it getting to the crime lab.

I don’t make the laws, I just follow them.

On Frank Straub, I suppose a little thing like spending nearly $250,000 reviewing policies not worthy of you investigating??? He was hired to do that and he hired an extra Deputy Director for about an extra $150,000 per year (pay&bennies). The two of them could not have done the review (they both claimed to be experts in the area) and saved me the exorbitant amounts of tax money????

“Feel?” Those were well addressed critical thoughts. As in “Thoughts”. “Feelings” were not involved.

Emotions are human. Police are human. It is normal to have emotions and want to believe that your friend and co-worker did not let you down and do the unspeakable….but, if those FOP members think there is any doubt that Bisard was NOT really drunk, they need to evaluate for themselves if their own loyalty to a friend is blocking clear thinking.

Members of the FOP: The hard truth is that someone you care about let you down, disappointed you, and did the unspeakable. Someone you care about killed another person and changed forever the lives of 2 others. Someone you care about was wrong, made a life-changing mistake (but it was a choice).

…Members of the FOP: Someone you care about screwed up, drove while drunk, and killed. Don’t go down the drain financially with your heart, instead, stand up and tell your friend that he has a problem, made a terrible choice to drive drunk, and must now be accountable. He must be accountable without bringing you financially down with him.

Direct your energy and efforts toward something positive: personal responsibility, good choices, but be there for your friend. Offer your heartfelt friendship during this difficult time, let him know he has friends who care about him & his family, but also friends who hold him accountable for what he did. He did wrong.

I was mesmerized from the psychobabble in your post. It reminded me of the recordings I have heard of “Tokyo Rose.” Give up the War G.I. and go back to your lovely wife and your home in the States.

FOP members weighed the evidence. You have to accept they have that ability or the American Criminal Justice System is a failure.

Indy4u2c, please enumerate the evidence that you drew your conclusion from that Bisard was drunk???? I know, I know, I know a lab test on an illegally obtained blood sample????????

Indiana law requires all operators of vehicles involved in fatal crash to provide a sample for a chemical test. No, the sample was not illegally obtained. It was required by law.

In reading your posts, “Me”, let me ask you: Are you so emotionally involved that you cannot see the reality of the matter? I know that when someone that we care about does wrong, we all want to hope it wasn’t true. I’m sorry, “Me”, it seems your emotions have impacted your judgment. That is human; I understand.

Abdul,
When The Mayor is on your show how could you please ask him how I can get a no bid contract with the city? If I need to hire someone in his family I am willing to do it, no problem.

I am Looking forward to the show with the Mayor, your insightful hardball questions keep me on the edge of my bus seat every time he is on.

WRONG AGAIN!!! Dam_ people, would it hurt you to read the FREAKIN REPORT????

BTW Matthew Stone, I do not care if mobs show up on my HOME lawn. If we allow MOB RULE to circumvent DUE PROCESS, we are morally bankrupt to be sure. Why would you advocate a trial by public opinion rather than a trial of the facts in a Court of Law with adequate legal defense???

LOOK, all of you. Police Officers are consistently being tried by fire. They know the road to truth and justice is not the easy road. They know sometimes it looks ugly when fighting the ugly side of this society. Police Officers are HUMAN and sometimes making mistakes (70 mph rather than 55 mph). But to expect any different in your Police Officers would be ineffective, irresponsible, dangerous and would simply not get the job done.

I looked at the facts of the case you recount. Congratulations, you are astute at stating the obvious. You have a doctorate in the Straub school of premature drawing conclusions.

You did not read the report. I will tell you one way I know. I will point out the other ways as you continue to open your mouth and prove your ignorance. It was a FELONY warrant and he told the others he was going to continue to roll that way. Nowhere will you find anyone telling him he was not needed. READ IT AGAIN.

Why would the FOP hire someone to make sure the internal investigation was conducted properly as you suggest??? The internal investigation is done! The only thing left is the Court trial. Are you even reading what you type before posting it???? Bisard will be held personally accountable by a fact finding Court. He MAY be found to be guilty of something. All the FOP is saying is, let’s find out what if anything he actually did wrong, NO MORE – NO LESS.

The history of the FOP does not indicate a desire to protect their reputation like some POLITICIAN as you suggest they do. They have vowed to their members to protect them with any legal and ethical means available. Protecting a reputation is like chasing a dream up for interpretation at the whim of the beholder.

Police work is sometimes perceived as “reckless.” Pointing or firing a firearm inside a house in itself could be perceived as reckless, yet necessary for Police work. Chasing a car through city streets at high speeds in itself could be perceived as reckless, yet necessary for Police work.

RECKLESS – Officers are not out there playing patty-cake with the Church Choir.

Candi refused to cooperate with both the internal and criminal investigation and she was put on desk duty with pay. Last I heard she was full-duty status, fyi.

I guess that’s why only 100 voted, out of how many members?

Me, it is soooo obvious that you are personally involved in this matter that you are blinded by the obvious.

That said: You made the silly and outrageous statement that “The Chief broke the spirit in which cooperation was born and voided the need for Bisard to cooperate.” When I got done laughing at the outrageousness of that silly statement, (ha ha ha), I decided you needed a reminder that there is NO “spirit of cooperation” when one is in a subordinate role. The bottom line: You obey your superior or your fired!

This is Indianapolis, not “Liberal-Land”. Maybe we should chug on over to “Mamby-Pamby Land” and maybe we can find some reality for you, “Me”!

Me, realize what is going on here. Let your emotion turn to logic….and logic to responsibility.

GEEEZZZ Abdul, have you come to that???

Now you make sport of the way FOP members conduct their business. I suppose you and Straub would dictate a decree that every member MUST show up for every vote. And come to attention while doing so!!!

The FOP is a democracy and learned a long time ago to respect a members rights. If a member does not wish to come to the business meetings, that is OK. If 2,000 members want to come to a business meeting, that is OK. All FOP members accept this practice. And NO, you cannot run the FOP.

BTW, the opinions vary among different researchers. Most I have heard would agree 100 would be a fair sampling of thought for even larger groups than the FOP. For groups as large as 200,000 – 400 seems to be a common number survey-takers find acceptable for a good sampling. NOT THE POINT, Survey Co. or you do not run the FOP, the members do.

I read the entire report. Twice.

The FOP can spend its money any way it wants. They’re entitled.

But allow we citizens, please, the right to be disappointed in the FOP’s actions. And the crash scene management. And Bisard’s lousy choices.

But DO NOT insult us, by hanging your hat on the BAT results, just because the test-taker was not certified.

Bark up another tree. That ship has sailed. If you don’t believe it, ask around.

Well, Melyssa, he’s slashed the parks budget, got rid of a perfectly good director who served under two different political parties, and replaced him with a stooge whose underlings insult the public whenever they ask questions.

Wait a minute, didn’t I just describe Dr. Straub…?

Baallrd will lose next year for many reasons. Some of them , probably correct. Some not.

He won’t lose because he chose good, smart people to work for him.

It sounds to me as though Officer Bisard is being criticized for not cooperating in an “investigation” that had reached it’s conclusion before it started investigating. Likely, the FOP equivalent of a shop steward told him to “not cooperate” in a kangaroo court of inquiry-a good lawyer would have advised the exact same thing. Surely, you have all watched enough Perry Mason and other television shows to have obtained that bit of American Law. Of course, government schooling distorts history and things like Constitutional Rights but even so in an internal investigation such as a Union Contract provides, one does not leap to conclusions. Otherwise, why have a grievance procedure? Of course, the procedure can be abused but when it is working at it’s best it is a fact finding operation.
As for the machine testing a blood sample we all stop, look, and listen at rail crossings,don’t we? One does not wager one’s own life on a mechanical device but on all the available senses, including, in this matter, common sense.

can I have some “Cool Aid”, TA?

The “investigation” is not complete until the civil service commission votes to FIRE the DRUNK!

Until then, he has “employee” status and MUST obey the rules of his superiors.

Don’t rationalize his admission….pascal

Abdul,

Can you please ask the Mayor why his Dr. Straub is pimping out his soul to the Black Community.Does the Mayor really think that by strolling out the trash heap named Straub in front of the black youth you that they will now vote for him. That meetign yesterday was pitiful.

Now that the Mayors top political person has resigned, what’s he donna do?

I have a whole bunch of questions that I woud like for you to ask the Mayor.But I know your time is limited so lets keep it to how do I get no bid contracts and free vacations to India and Brazil.

While your at it, the next time you have TOJO on your show can you ask him where he gets his hair cut?

I guess we will just have to wait and see how things proceed and Indy4U2C you might have a significant contribution to make to the Haiti relief fund if your assertations don’t pan out. You and TA would make a lovely pair traveling down there to deliver your stash of cash.
I am unwilling to part with my human reasoning on your say so.