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Making the Right Choice

With a good chunk of school starting this week, I figured it would be the perfect time to entertain the thought of the subject of school choice.  I bring this up not only because I’m a big fan of choice and competition, but also the fact is that there are five new charter schools slated to open up in Indianapolis and there’s a waiting list of more than 1700 students trying to get a spot.   That should tell you something.

I’ve never fully understood the opposition to school choice.  What is so wrong about figuring out how much it cost to educate a child in Indiana and then letting the parent (or taxpayer) designate that money to the school of their choice.  If the parent does nothing I can live with the dollar automatically defaulting the district the parent lives in, but other than that, let the free market go at it.   And I will even add that when a parent elects to send his or her child to a school, they are stuck there for the entire year, absent some serious health or safety issue.  What harm could choice possibly do, except get rid of some bad schools that should have never existed in the first place?

My friends who teach in traditional public schools will tell me the choice system is inherently flawed because traditional schools are competing on a different playing field than charter and private schools.  That statement is not entirely true because traditional public schools can apply for waivers from numerous state rules and regulations but many choose not to do so.   The dirty little secret is if they do apply for the waiver and get it  they won’t have the state to blame when things go wrong.   In addition, charter schools don’t get money for transportation like traditional schools do.  So they are literally doing more with less.

Now I believe this is the point where the anti-choice crowd comes out of the woodwork and says charter schools don’t, as a whole, get better results than traditional schools.  I remind my friends that when charter and private schools don’t perform they shut down.  When traditional schools don’t perform, they get more money. Which is worse?

We’re always talking about more accountability in schools.  What better way to hold people accountable than let the consumer vote with his or her dollar about where they want their children to be educated.

  • http://www.hoosiersforfairtaxation.blogspot.com Melyssa

    If I were a parent I would want my kid educated with IPS, a school system that cannot tell the taxpayers what their graduation goal is…NOT!

  • joneaster

    A couple of things.

    With the new rules, parents are free to choose any public school for their child regardless of district. If you live in Decatur and want to send your child to Lawrence North, then you can.

    Some charter schools are having success, but others are not. There was an article in the Star recently about how the charters are no different than the traditional publics…good and bad.

    You always have the choice to send your child to a private school and many people do. Most of them have financial aid programs.

    I doubt though that privates would want too much in the way of open enrollment there. They couldn't limit their enrollment and choose their student body if vouchers were enacted as easily. That would have implications for the delicate balance they keep with athletics. Enroll too many more kids and they might move out of a class where they dominate in football or basketball or volleyball, etc.

  • pascal

    Jon, if there were ever a subject from which you should recuse yourself it would be this one. Over the years your preference for stasis has become well known. And, I'm not too sure of your Lawrence analogy-last time I heard they discriminated against Catholics.

  • dirtyblues

    the educational data from our 11 public school districts within marion county relate the facts…

    with the exception of beech grove…

    the usa ‘native-born’ negro student population: retards the intellectual development of every school district at the high school level within the county…

    for example take pike township high school district…

    per its gqe results for the last 15 yrs…

    pike – with its negro student population included – rates in the bottom third of performing hs districts in the entire state of indiana…

    take out the negro student scores…

    and pike hs would be in the top 10 high school districts in the state of indiana as related to intellectual development per the gqe…

    matter of fact…

    take out the native-born usa negro student population gqe scores from the 11 marion county hs districts…

    the county would increase its gqe scores by an average of 25 poinits…

    year-in & year-out…

    ips is the worst performing gqe hs district in the state of indiana…

    take out the usa native-born negro population test scores…

    ips would rise in its gqe rating by 125 places…

    make no mistake…

    usa native-born negro hs students in marion county are not dumb nor genetically idiots…

    its just that far toom many are socialized by their cultural standard bearers to feed on the…

    dark dysfunction & self-destruction of: cheating, fighting, lying, stealing & wh0ring

    …priceless!!!

  • dirtyblues

    “THE PURPOSE OF EDUCATION IS TO GIVE THE STUDENT THE INTELLECTUAL TOOLS TO ANALYZE PROBLEMS, WHETHER VERBALLY OR NUMERICALLY, AND TO REACH CONCLUSIONS/SOLUTIONS BASED ON LOGIC AND EVIDENCE” THOMAS SOWELL

    PASSING GQE SKILLS: LA 400 + MA 300 = 700 (15 YR AVG)

    MARION COUNTY’S 11 PUBLIC HS DISTRICTS 100% POPULATION, 66% GQE PASS RATE 15-YR AVG

    MARION COUNTY’S 11 PUBLIC HS DISTRICTS (W/27% ANE POPULATION) HAS 15-YR GQE PASS RATE OF 33% & FAILURE RATE OF 67%

    MARION COUNTY’S 11 PUBLIC HS DISTRICTS (W/72% PNNE POPULATION) HAS 15-YR GQE PASS RATE OF 79% & FAILURE RATE OF 21%

    MARION COUNTY’S 11 PUBLIC HS DISTRICTS (W/1% AAE POPULATION) HAS 15-YR GQE PASS RATE OF 82% & FAILURE RATE OF 18%

    …priceless!!!

  • dirtyblues

    PASSING GQE SKILLS: LA 400 + MA 300 = 700 (15 YR AVG)

    9 X IPS HS (58% ANE POPULATION) W/ANE SCORES 36% GQE SUCCESS OR 60% GQE W/O ANE SCORES: IPS GRADUATES PURSUING COLLEGE EDUCATION 69%

    MARION COUNTY 10 TOWNSHIP PUBLIC HS DISTRICT: 100% POPULATION: 68% GQE PASS RATE 15-YR (1996-08) AVG: TOWNSHIP HS GRADUATES PURSUING COLLEGE EDUCATION 75%

    MARION COUNTY 10 TOWNSHIP PUBLIC HS DISTRICTS: 24% ANE POPULATION: 36% GQE PASS RATE & 64% FAILURE RATE

    MARION COUNTY 10 TOWNSHIP PUBLIC HS DISTRICTS: 74% PNNE POPULATION: 78% GQE PASS RATE & 22% FAILURE RATE

    MARION COUNTY 10 TOWNSHIP PUBLIC HS DISTRICTS: 2% AAE POPULATION: 82% GQE PASS RATE & 18% FAILURE RATE

    note: as the analysis above shows…

    it is not just american negro ethnic (ane) students of ips that are engage in the process of de-evolving into members of the…

    ‘learned illiterated’ dysfunctional class…

    but a majority of ane attending township high schools are just as ‘functionally’ illiterated after 10 to 12 yrs of formal education

    …priceless!!!

  • dirtyblues

    ane equals american negro ethnic

    pnne equals pale non-negro ethnic: includes human beings with pale outer coloring from spanish-speaking culture(s)

    aae equals american asian ethnic

    …priceless!!!

  • Ramon

    Just wait until after the ADM count and the charters get their checks, then they start pushing students out and convincing parents that their children would do better in a public school. They keep the star pupils and throw the others out like that are not human. Public schools accept all students despite learning problems, home problems, behavior problems, motivation problems, poverty, disease, etc…….when the charters do that then there might be a possibility of making comparisons.

  • Taxpayer 834512

    Again, I agree with competition when it's on a relatively equal playing field like three gas stations on the same corner. NOT one of the gas stations you already pay for the gas- but it's of poor quality, the second one you might pay half-price for better gas- but they have insanely long lines, and the third is immaculate and with quality gas- but you pay full price.

    I like the theory of “choice” and being our brother's keeper. But, once again, this comes back to do we intend to have more success and make our collective dollars go farther- or wallow in mediocrity, corruption, and watch our global competition leave us in the dust- in this case, in educating our kids.

    There's no getting around the big problems: a return of goverment frugality and personal responsibility. A tax system that asks for everybody to have some skin in the game, and participatorial citizenship by all citizens.

    You tell me. How do we fix this country and continue avoiding these issues? How do our schools, public, charter, private, or otherwise produce American children that can geopolitically compete and return our country to thriving? Do we reacquire common sense, demand personal accountability, and face reality for the sake of our future, or continue pointing fingers and divisively disappear deeper into the muck?

  • Nick

    Tell us more about this new rule allowing parents to choose between public schools .

    Are their limits in regard to residency or any extra fees?

  • joneaster

    What did I say that was so incorrect? If you think I believe in the status quo, then you are incorrect. I think Abdul will back me up on this.

  • joneaster

    It's not new. The new law went into effect last year. You do not pay tuition and you can send your children to any public school in the state. I believe there is a mid-October deadline.

  • joneaster
  • Think Again

    Until this ruling took effect, North Central, one of the country's best and most-diverse public high schools, took 150-175 kids per year in cash tuition status. From all over–mostly Carmel and IPS.

  • Think Again

    The waiver system is flawed, and you really ought to be better informed on it before you comment, Abdul.

    The non-level playing field is absolutely true.

    I wish charters well. Just don't ever try to tell me they're on a level field with traditional public schools. Because they never have been and never will be under existing rules. Not even close.

  • Abdul

    Jon – You are correct. I'm with you when you're right.

    TA – You want to have the waiver debate, bring it on my brother! :-)

  • malercous

    After 10 years the charter schools in St. Louis have been a wash. No overall difference in output. (How could the free-market ever have failed us?)
    Just read about one in the Post today that is closing since it lost accreditation. It is going to reopen with the same principal & staff, but with a different name. Supposedly, this will cure everything. It ought to work fine this time.

  • joneaster

    Schools get cash for the students that come in though. In fact, the over 400 district-wide students that came in last year to MSD Wayne helped close the budget gap.

  • http://www.hoosiersforfairtaxation.blogspot.com Melyssa

    Any parent who pays out of pocket to send their kid to private school, should get a refund of the portion of their property tax that goes to the public school.

    I have always thought it is very unfair for my neighbors in MK neighborhood to be forced to pay outrageous property taxes on top of private tuition because IPS is one of the bottom rung schools in America.

  • IndyAries

    “In addition, charter schools don’t get money for transportation like traditional schools do.”

    These schools should not have been receiving funding from property tax dollars without the consent of those taxed.

    There is nothing in the funding scheme set forth in Article 8 Section 2 that authorizes taxation of private homes for the support of public schools.

    Further, the Indiana Supreme Court has held that school books are not part of the general education – this is why we pay 'book rental fees'.

    So, if school books cannot be funded through property taxation, then how could school buses, and the costs of transportation (drivers, insurance, fuel, etc.) be collected through taxation?

  • IndyAries

    Off topic, but I have not seen Abdul blog about his buddy Traffic Court Judge William Young.

    “State justices slam traffic judge's handling of case that landed woman in jail”
    http://blogs.indystar.com/crime/2010/06/state_j…

    In July, the Supreme Court Disciplinary Commission filed 6 charges against Young. He had 20 days to reply.

  • Think Again

    Under the old system, cash tuition students paid, AND, in some cases, the school district got to count them as regular students in their Average Daily Membership numbers. A true double-dip.

  • Pablo

    Comes down to money. Teachers ONLY care about money as evidenced by their opposition to every measure intended to help children like merit pay, tenure extension, school choice, etc. They hate change. Unions have DESTRYOED public education. Teachers just follow that. I was a teacher. Left because I was not allowed to do my job and educate but rather toe union line.

  • pascal

    Abdul, haven't you noticed that when TA is corrected he goes silent?