IBE Shooting Suspect
Indianapolis Metroplitan Police have released the name and photo of the teen they beleive was responsbile for Saturday night’s shooting during Indiana Black Expo that sent 9 people to the hospital. The suspect has been identified as 17-year old Shamus Patton. He has a mugshot though and a Facebook page.
IBE Shooting Suspect
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July 19th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
I have a few tough questions about this mass-shooting suspect:
1) who is his father?
2) where does his father live?
3) who is his mother?
4) where does his mother live?
5) who is the preacher where the suspect attends church?
6) where does he go to school?
7) how are his grades at school?
8) what is his attendance record at school?
9) where did he obtain his gun
10) how many more guns does he have access to?
Consider all of the above as rhetorical questions. I believe I've made my point.
July 19th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
He's just a dumb kid. He needs to turn himself in before he gets hurt.
July 19th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
Well, no, it is not a proper rant unless you note points of analysis and have the racial standing to speak. Analysis out to begin with The Moynihan Report and then move to the Unheavenly City by Banfield, the Coleman Report, and then the works of Charles Murray.
One easy way of doing this would be to pick up James Patterson's recent book, Freedom is Not Enough. Most readers of this blog don't read much so it would be hard for them to comprehend that the Indianapolis situation is very similar to that of other ghettos and for the exact same reasons.
Part of that, and of no credit to liberals or progressivess, or communists, is that the Moynihan Report was considered controversial by the aforementioned ghetto creators. Sort of like Arizona's new immigration law, something to be condemned without even bothering to read it (see current US AG and President)(fools).
Note well that liberals have created this mess and defend its creation even as the book's author points out the non-liberal intellects who, beginning with Monynihan, show the way out of the mess. So, honest folks who want to know how to get out of this mess will need to excise their liberalism and embrace realism.
July 19th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
It's seems his family foresaw what type of person he would be when they named him.
July 19th, 2010 at 8:22 pm
getting rid of the ghettos surrounding the city would eliminate a good chunk of violence
July 19th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
So glad that he is a Warren Central student and not IPS….maybe Mitch will not propose to take over Warren Central……….who is the bigger fool…..Shamus or Mitch……
July 19th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
Apparently, you top them all.
July 19th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
I want to know these questions:
How old is his mother?
Does he know his father?
Was his home life violent?
Did he get attention from his father?
Does he have a mentor?
Who loves this child?
July 19th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
Guys, it is time we cleaned up our own backyards. We have a lot of opportunity to do just that. These kids need help. They need help they aren't getting from entitlement programs and “social justice”…whatever that is.
They need adults who care about the person behind those eyes. They don't need judgment.
They were born into a world of our making. We failed them.
Collectively, we adults own the responsibility on this. And we need to make it right outside of looking to government to fix it. We need to give our time to their neighborhoods and in time we'll all reap the rewards.
July 19th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
I find it interesting that a minor who is suspected of a crime has been publicly named and a photo shown.
July 19th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
The difference between Warren Schools and IPS is largely geography–only. Sadly.
July 19th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
Without a doubt, your cleverest comment ever.
The name Shamus is Irish in nature. But the pronounced version contains the root word which I hope they feel–IF he is guilty.
July 19th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
I was totally wondering why an Irish guy was hanging around downtown this weekend.
July 19th, 2010 at 10:26 pm
I'm nearly all Irish, so I know about Irish guilt. I guess that explains the name's origin.
July 19th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
'It' seems……
July 19th, 2010 at 10:45 pm
Mel, while I agree and support 95+ percent of what you say here, I do not agree with your assertion here.
We've had programs in place for youth like this for decades.
We've dumped BILLIONS of BUCKS into said programs for kids like this.
When do we say, “ENOUGH !!!”
July 19th, 2010 at 10:49 pm
I'm still wondering why…
1. The media or other government talking heads are NOT commenting on the mindset that has these kids laughing at gunshots (aka 'funshots').
2. The media or other government talking heads are NOT commenting on why FFA, GenCon, etc., don't seem to have this type of trouble.
3. Does it require 300 cops for FFA? GenCon??
Opppsssss……guess it's not PC to bring this up, huh ?!?!
July 19th, 2010 at 11:54 pm
Here's a true story from the Hood Shepherd, the inner city minister I'm working with on the God Lot project.
He told me that this guy in the hood stole his car. Everyone told him to call the police and do everything he could to catch the guy and make him pay. The minister knew who took the car, cause the thief would drive by, wave, and try to taunt him with his own car. This went on for 21 days.
What no one knew during those 21 days the kid was feeling guilty and his conscience was working on him. He kept waiting for Dave to do something. Dave told me all he did was turn the other cheek.
Finally the kid brought the car back and said if Dave had given up on him he would not have any reason to even try to be good and was going to give up on himself. Now the kid works with Dave. And it is all because he was not judged.
What we are doing is not working. We need to do different things. And I'm convinced we need to cool it on the judgment of these kids. They were born to this madness where they start out with no chance. They are poor AND have terrible parents. They grow up in a culture of fear and violence and we blame THEM because they can't cope? We blame them that they don't have respect and manners they were never taught and consistently held accountable? Really? Is THAT who we are?
No, this is our fault. And if our community can come together and fix this in Indianapolis, then we'll have something to be proud of to show the rest of the country. We can show through our ACTIONS that we stopped bitching and did something. That we put action the self-responsibility of our rhetoric and made some sacrifices of our time, money, and energy and didn't look to the government for the answers or a handout.
And most importantly, we're going to help some kids have a shot at life. You can count on that.
It's time we took responsibility for this and quit pointing fingers. It is everyone's fault.
July 19th, 2010 at 11:55 pm
IndyAires….we ARE the media!
July 20th, 2010 at 12:16 am
It sure as hell is not my fault…not in the slightest. Liberal guilt trips have actually only made the problems worse.
July 20th, 2010 at 1:28 am
Whoa, wait, Abdul. your title. “IBE Shooting Suspect”? Didn't you get the memo that the shooting did not happen at any IBE event?
July 20th, 2010 at 2:17 am
Melyssa – You are starting to grow on me.
July 20th, 2010 at 2:21 am
Pascal – We are not trying to guilt you into helping, just help you realize that helping them helps our community as a whole.
While we might disagree on how we go about helping them to act as if they don't need help does a disservice to yourself. (This isn't just the black youth I am talking about at risk youth in general)
July 20th, 2010 at 2:23 am
Maybe the programs need adjusting, but they don't need to be stopped.
July 20th, 2010 at 5:18 am
“We”, like “they” will never solve any meaningful problem. Your interest in solving the problem must be supported, but solutions must be very very specific. Unfortunately, people today cannot take the straight talk that is needed to hone in on the possibilities/accountabilities. When or until, we are looking at our future, only to be multiplied many times over.
July 20th, 2010 at 10:05 am
I guess I could have been classified as 'at-risk' as a child. I ran with a 'social club' in Detroit, did a lot of the stuff teens do. I also held a steady welding job.
However, I saw the writing on the wall, and 11 days after I turned 17, I went into the Marine Corps — straightened my young ass up QUICK!
My point? I — me PERSONALLY — made a choice. I exercised personal responsibility; didn't like the direction my life was heading, and made a conscience decision to change my life.
Perhaps a dose of Marines could help these 'at-risk' youth?
Central Indiana Young Marines:
http://www.ciym.net/
Central Indiana Young Marines is a non-profit youth education and service program for boy and girls, ages 8 through completion of high school. The program focuses on character building, leadership, and promotes a healthy, drug-free lifestyle. The Young Marines is a 501c organization and is the focal point for the U.S. Marine Corps' youth Drug Demand Reduction efforts.
The purpose of the Young Marines is:
1. To promote the mental, moral, and physical development of its members.
2. To instill in its members the ideals of honesty, fairness, courage, respect, loyalty, dependability, attention to duty, love of God, and fidelity to our country and its institutions.
3. To stimulate an interest in, and respect for, academic achievement and the history and traditions of the United States of America.
4. To promote physical fitness through the conduct of physical activities, including participation in athletic events and close order drill.
5. To advocate a drug-free lifestyle through a continual drug prevention education program.
July 20th, 2010 at 11:16 am
I'm with you on “giving the time” and pitching-in. We have a child we adopted that needs extra attention. I've mentored in elementary school. We've volunteered on behalf of another child's extra-curricular activites to help in high school. We make more donations(albeit not large) than I want to know about.
Your pursuit of positive neighborhood activites sounds worthy and I wish you luck. If I can, I'll pitch-in. I have before.
But, these are the more relatively pleasant things we need to pursue. The unpleasant thing we have to pursue is demanding more of parenting. Nobody likes to hear they need to improve their parenting, but we've bent over too far “not judging”. I think the vast majority of us finally agree the bar is now too low.
Thanks for an earlier compliment. I hope current events help propel these issues.
July 20th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
My dad told me that the armed forces saved alot of our at risk youth (black and white) when he was younger.
After their first couple brushes with the law the judge would give them the option of going to jail or to the armed forces.
That put a end to alot of this that we are seeing today.
Any reason why judges stop giving the option to our kids.
I have a idea and it has to do with kickbacks from for profit prison systems, but would like to hear someone else's opinion also.
July 20th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
Please define “social club.,” I'm not trying to be a smart-ass…I honestly don't know.
July 20th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
The services aren’t taking the same recruits now.
When the Viet Nam war and the draft ended the standards were raised. Few with a criminal record get into the military and the academic standards have changed also.
July 20th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
Sorry this response is so late but I've been off my reading this weekend. Melyssa, I will NOT take nor OWN any responsibility on this. I taught my kids right from wrong, I wouldn't let my 10 year old kid be downtown Indy ANYTIME alone, let alone in the mess that second Saturday brings, these kids have been offered much more “help” than most but haven't accepted or learned from said help and, finally, at age 17-remand him right into adult court and let his help now come from the adult programs. Reports are that he has a juvvie record and decided Saturday night he was ready for the big-time. “Own responsibility on this”–no way and I hope your heart stops bleeding long enough to know that the majority of these thugs are plain and simply TROUBLE.
July 20th, 2010 at 11:20 pm
Just an FYI. Patton is a 17yr old juvenile who is 5'10 220lbs.
Similiar size to Brandon Johnson.
July 21st, 2010 at 12:23 am
Sharon you are so right.
But don't expect any “Old School Leadership” to take responsibility for anything.
Channel 13 is reporting that after Tanya Bell announced that she was forming a “task force” of stakeholders in the Black Expo to seek improvements, a very upset Bill Crawford tells the media he thinks a task force is a complete over reaction and that the Black Expo is being racially profiled.
Forgive me, but a task force to improve Black Expo is not a over reaction after two shooting that injured 10 kids and sent 2,000+ people running for their lives.
Of course Bill Crawford was the spokesperson for the Concerned Clergy that wants to make a race issue of a kid who was cussing at police (exercising his first amendment rights they say), interfering with a arrest, failing to follow orders, and resisting arrest (respecting authority is secondary to his injuries they say). Heck they want to make this kid a hero.
The Indianapolis community needs to find new leadership that don't defend bad behavior and make heros out of thugs.
July 21st, 2010 at 10:20 am
TA, the 'social club' that I ran with could have been called a 'gang', I suppose. We wore black leather jackets, etc.
We did NOT carry guns. We didn't rob people, or burgle homes and businesses.
We did 'rumble' as needed <smile>.
Not long before I went into the Marines, some things began to change. Some of the guys began doing drugs, carrying weapons, 'swiping stuff', etc.
I didn't want to go down that road.
July 21st, 2010 at 10:24 am
Going into the Marines wasn't a 'choice' imposed by a Judge. I met a Marine recruiter in a little shack in a mall parking lot when I was 16.
His name was Gunnery Sergeant James Minatrea. I'd hang around his shack when he wasn't busy. He talked to me, showed me some videos and books. I thought he looked 'tuff' in his Blues.