2 officers out of 1what 1700 officers. I guess 2 rotten apples spoil the 1700.

Its all about paychecks for Gangstas that don't have jobs or dont want to work. Typical racest taking advantage of the system. Who is going to call these gangstas racest, Straub? Come on. These animals are playing the system just as Brizzi and Tom John have done.

I'm not sure I understand your post, Advocate. You do mean criminals, don't you? If so, I get ya. The criminal element works the system real well. SometimesIMPD and the prosecutor cooperate, albeit unwittingly.
Dr. Straub is an outsider, with no vested itnerests. I still think the PubSafety Director's position is a waste of taxpayer funds.
But if he can provide some fresh thought to this training process, so be it. I know many LEOs, and they don't want a few bad apples spoling their reputation.
One more thing–if Straub said anything publicly about a potential or current FBI investigation, including whether he was asked anything about it, he should be reprimanded. If your post is correct, Abdul, he's trying to leak the FBI's alleged non-interest in the Johnson case, which is not his job or obligation. Quite the opposite.
Jeezus, can't anyone keep their mouths shut any more? McCrystal-itis.

For the first time ever, I found a point to agree with TA about: The Public Safety Director job is an UNNECESSARY layer of bureaucracy! The job used to be a stand-in for the mayor at dinners, gatherings, community functions…the current public safety director thinks he is police commissioner, micromanaging the police department.

I don't think that training is an issue at all. The facts speak for themselves. The issue is the fact that Frank Anderson lowered the hiring standards. Now we see the effects of Frank Anderson lowering the standards: some substandard people were hired and retained.

The answer is to undo everything Frank did to bring down the police department from a professional organization and make it his political tool for cronyism, nepotism, and 'paybacks'.

You take the cake, Indy. You flatter me, then immediately type nonsense and lies. Thanks, but no thanks.

How can you be a veteran when you've only been on the force just three years? More like a novice/newbie.

I have no idea what you are saying or who you are talking about…..you may have a point to make but it is lost in your gibberish.

Indy4u2c is spot on.
Anderson did lower the standards and we are seeing the results.
From arson to choke holds the officers who are going rouge are officers hired under the Peterson/Anderson watch.
TA can spin all he wants but the LEO's on the street with 10 plus years will confirm that the hiring standards have been lowered.

TA, you are smarter than the average progressive.Kudos to you.You hit it right on the mark.

Puzzled, you are puzled, gee go figure

Indy,

Heres a news flash, Frank Anderson is the Sheriff.Not IMPD.He has nothing to do with law enforcement in Marion County..

It is obvious that you do not have a clue. Frank runs the jail and a few other programs.

The IMPD for the most part holds their officers to a high standard. These criminals are just trying to get a quick paycheck.

I also think that w edo not need a Safety Dir. Thats what a COP is, or it also should be the Mayors job….but hell he cant even see his feet.

I know several LEOs in that category–line officers, captains…probably way more than you do, Ernie. None of them blames Frank. I directly asked two today, and they laughed. I don't know Frank at all, but I know he had a distinguished career as a US Marshall…and that reputation is confirmed by Ds and Rs alike. And, in that post, he was sponsored by Sens. Bayh and Lugar, and confirmed unanimously by the U S Senate. He was a good enough Marshall to adroitly walk the plank between Judge Barker and the Greg Dixon church folks during that fiasco–and he earned praise from all parties. Judge Barker is about as conservative as you can get, and Grer Dixon is nuts. They both thought he was fair. I'm guessing that's a lot more complicated than anything you can dream up. Plus, he flipped the switch of McVey and deftly handled that PR mess. I know he's a Democrat, any any successes he had rile you to no end, but you cannot reinvent history, try as you might. And unless you have direct proof that he was solely responsible for alleged lowered standards at IMPD, you can put that tired old rant to bed, too. I suppose you'd prefer McAtee or Cottey running things again, huh? Village idiots in charge. You've got a lot of wind on Anderson…did he arrest you once or something? Or all you as many here suspect? All hat and no cattle?

Delanoojos: Please check up on your modern history of Indianapolis before you post in ignorance…Frank Anderson was in charge of the police department at the time the subjects of the post were hired. Due to his own malfeasance/nonfeasance or just plain incompetence, the City had the good judgment to take all control of the police department AWAY from him. Frank lowered the hiring standard to allow for his cronys, friends, family to be hired. Look at those in trouble: the one with the prostitute on 10th ST, arson, now this….all hired under Anderson's watch with LOWER standards.

TA, 2 out of 1700 is pretty good numbers, though not perfect. If Frank would not have lowered the standard, it may be perfect. Now, 2 out of 1700 is less than 1/10 of 1% of the dept. I bet most colleges have a flunk-out rate greater than that, and you won't see people yelling to “completely overhaul the cirriculum!” Instead intelligent people realize that the admissions office let in some who lacked what it takes. Frank's lowering of the hiring standard allowed some in (1/10 of 1%) who lack what it takes. It's his fault for lowering the standard.

Do you have any proof that he “lowered the standard” ? And what “standard” are you referencing? Or is it just idle babble, which I suspect? Regardless who was hired/fired under Anderson's reign, he hasn't been in charge for almost two years. More than ample time to allow the chief to pull in any loose cannons. Think before you type, huh?

Advocate, are you related to, or do you work for, our deputy mayor? Gibberish is his stock-in-trade, too. Just asking.

TA I’m amazed at how much you don’t know about most issues. Frank Anderson never arrested me. I know he’s a democrat and I freely admit that I don’t trust many D’s. Yes I do believe that Jack Cotty and McAttee could do a better job of running the Sheriff Department, they both did.
As to your contacts at IMPD. I would bet a dollar to a doughnut that I know more active and retired LEO’s than you and I have gained their trust. I’ve had conversations with more than a few and I’ve heard the same stories over and over. Anderson is a typical Democrat…he’s running for the State Senate yet he hasn’t resigned his current office… Sheriff Anderson and I had a conversation a few years back needless to say everything he told me has turned out to be a lie. Anderson lowered the standards at IMPD and your spin won’t change that.. Indianapolis and Marion County will be better off when Anderson is gone.

here's the opinion of a 12 year veteran. i've worked in the training division for 3 years as a field training officer at different times. no matter who is in charge a few idiots are going to make it into the academy. we hope they get booted out sometime during their training there or during the 4 month FTO phase. But, when Petterson took over he pledged to hire 200 new officers. when I applied under goldsmith there were 2,000 applicants for 40 positions. now they are lucky to get 6 or 7 hundred for 60 positions. Then when Anderson took over there were questionable hires that were obviously not qualified. They failed tests, caused trouble, and the academy staff were basically told to keep them going. these officers then made it to the FTO phase, where again we gave poor evaluations to the people. The powers that be gave them chance.
after chance. I finally left the FTO program.
Things have gotten somewhat better the last couple years. If a candidate can't hack it, they are gone. I DO BLAME FRANK AND BART. this is what happens when affirmative action and getting more officers just for political points is the basis for hiring.
training at the academy is fine. defensive tactics training is fine. actually better than it was when I went through.
the other problem we are finding is that the kids have grown up without any stress in their lives. any kind of help is a cell phone away. all they have done is play computer games. I've talked to people in the military and they are having the same issues with new recruits.

Thanks for sharing Shane.

I love how Frank Straub, who has never responded to a domestic in his entire life is a self proclaimed expert in police training…..

It's amazing how quiet TA becomes after an authority comes on line and disputes TA's facts. Hello…. TA…are you out there?

I appreciate this observation. I know two IMPS officers at high levels–above sergeant–who would disagree violently. So it's all in the interpretation, isn't it? Oh yeah, Ernie–shut up. I had a job to work at today–how about you?

…and I can name 2 officers who were Frank's cronys and jumped up the ranks thanks to Frank. Nothing to interpret here, just the facts. So what's the point, TA?

The point, Indy, and Ernie, is that my facts contradict yours. I think it's possible all parties involved are correct–this isn't an exact science. Opinions are like, well… you know. And my acquaintances have been there 20-plus years–one 30 plus years. I believe one was brought on under Hudnut and Chief Winston Churchill. There's a blast from the past. Yep, both earned their ranks…one is a hard-nosed D and one is a hard-nosed R. One is getting ready to retire, one hopes to stay on for another five or six years. And as for officers who jumped up quicker than they should've, where were you when that mucked-up phony hairpiece Cottey was running things? What a low-class uneducated thug, red Camaro and all. Or, as he said on the infamous YouTube video, when his Camaro was towed “You tell that M—-f—-e (Delaware/South manager/owner) to get my f—–g car out here right now. We was gonna go out and party some more and I need that car.” Yeah. A real class act. And you're worried about Frank A for some reason. Party on Garth.

TA it's not nice to tell another to “shut up”. Tisk, tisk, its childish and rude…I'm sure you were taught better.
Do you really think that the brass is going to open up about former leadership? It will never happen…to get to the truth one needs to talk with the man on the street.
It’s no wonder that you are wrong most of the time….you haven’t figured out where to find the facts…that must be why you make up your own.

TA does not offer facts but biased opinions, usually wrong and of no value.