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		<title>By: IndyAries</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndyAries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We don&#039;t need referenda. We need our elected representatives to step up and vote on actual issues. Thagt&#039;s why we send them there.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Alas, TA...since we don&#039;t have real statesmen who actually care about We the Pissed Upon, we NEED the referendum.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Indeed, I wish we had this power guaranteed in our Constitution.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We all know that the Colt&#039;s Playground would never have been built if We the Scorned had the opportunity to vote upon it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We don&#39;t need referenda. We need our elected representatives to step up and vote on actual issues. Thagt&#39;s why we send them there.&#8221;</p>
<p>Alas, TA&#8230;since we don&#39;t have real statesmen who actually care about We the Pissed Upon, we NEED the referendum.</p>
<p>Indeed, I wish we had this power guaranteed in our Constitution.</p>
<p>We all know that the Colt&#39;s Playground would never have been built if We the Scorned had the opportunity to vote upon it.</p>
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		<title>By: GP38-2</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2010/03/strange_bedfellows-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-33035</link>
		<dc:creator>GP38-2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 19:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A county assessor is not needed when everybody pulls their equal weight. One person, one bill. Simple, no loopholes, no opinions, no BS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A county assessor is not needed when everybody pulls their equal weight. One person, one bill. Simple, no loopholes, no opinions, no BS.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Value is one thing; a sale &amp; not an opinion.  That&#039;s simple, where systems are not, by design &amp; for less than honorable reasons...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Value is one thing; a sale &#038; not an opinion.  That&#39;s simple, where systems are not, by design &#038; for less than honorable reasons&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Think Again</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2010/03/strange_bedfellows-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-33026</link>
		<dc:creator>Think Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, perhaps you&#039;re unaware: from now on, property value is largely determined by comparable real estate sales.  That&#039;s part of the &quot;fix&quot; mandated by the court and finally agreed by the legislature.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In Marion County, professional appraisers reviewed the property records, and for the first time in history, 2009-pay-2010 tax bills are on time and sent out by one unified county assessor.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Every time somone refinances or gets a new mortgage, the state requires a form to be filed, which lists the property value.  Typically, that&#039;s via certified appraisal or comparable sales, or both.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s not perfect, but it is so far ahead of where we were.  Unfortunately, home values are down, but with property tax caps on the immediate horizon, that could be short-term good news on the tax front....bad news on the home value front.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That loud boom you heard last year was the ground swallowing up nine inefficient and inept township asssessors, in favor of a county-wide system.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your turn, Becky...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, perhaps you&#39;re unaware: from now on, property value is largely determined by comparable real estate sales.  That&#39;s part of the &#8220;fix&#8221; mandated by the court and finally agreed by the legislature.</p>
<p>In Marion County, professional appraisers reviewed the property records, and for the first time in history, 2009-pay-2010 tax bills are on time and sent out by one unified county assessor.  </p>
<p>Every time somone refinances or gets a new mortgage, the state requires a form to be filed, which lists the property value.  Typically, that&#39;s via certified appraisal or comparable sales, or both.</p>
<p>It&#39;s not perfect, but it is so far ahead of where we were.  Unfortunately, home values are down, but with property tax caps on the immediate horizon, that could be short-term good news on the tax front&#8230;.bad news on the home value front.</p>
<p>That loud boom you heard last year was the ground swallowing up nine inefficient and inept township asssessors, in favor of a county-wide system.</p>
<p>Your turn, Becky&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a large hole in the cap-sized ship of misstate; the highly volatile &amp; variable assessment system, where &quot;value&quot; is an opinion determined by a perversely interested party (county assess-hurts).  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perverse interests are those in which a single party derives benefit without assuming risk (governmental bloat).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;TA makes some very good points.  But let&#039;s remember that township government is ~2% of all local government statewide.  Is township government the measurable waste-line of excess?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;An available, wider view of the problem, reveals that things have been DLG F&#039;d up for too long.  Or is the state somehow holy?  Let&#039;s see... CAPS... Commission Assessed Property Seizure...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#39;s a large hole in the cap-sized ship of misstate; the highly volatile &#038; variable assessment system, where &#8220;value&#8221; is an opinion determined by a perversely interested party (county assess-hurts).  </p>
<p>Perverse interests are those in which a single party derives benefit without assuming risk (governmental bloat).</p>
<p>TA makes some very good points.  But let&#39;s remember that township government is ~2% of all local government statewide.  Is township government the measurable waste-line of excess?  </p>
<p>An available, wider view of the problem, reveals that things have been DLG F&#39;d up for too long.  Or is the state somehow holy?  Let&#39;s see&#8230; CAPS&#8230; Commission Assessed Property Seizure&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Taxpayer 834512</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taxpayer 834512</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to TA, except add redistricting to the gutless list.  It&#039;s amazing what they never have time to get to.  We can accomodate a furor over firearms that I ever knew existed, and there&#039;s always time for sugar cream pie.  But, trying to tackle our 60-90%+ incumbency retention rate- We&#039;ll were sorry, Folks!  We&#039;re, so, soooooo Sorry, but---We&#039;re fresh out of time!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to TA, except add redistricting to the gutless list.  It&#39;s amazing what they never have time to get to.  We can accomodate a furor over firearms that I ever knew existed, and there&#39;s always time for sugar cream pie.  But, trying to tackle our 60-90%+ incumbency retention rate- We&#39;ll were sorry, Folks!  We&#39;re, so, soooooo Sorry, but&#8212;We&#39;re fresh out of time!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Think Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Think Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t need referenda.  We need our elected representatives to step up and vote on actual issues.  Thagt&#039;s why we send them there.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For two yeas, these folks have boosted important issues, like excess school funding, to the referenda plate.  It&#039;s gutless.  The school funding crisis, for instance, as well as the coming crisis for all units of local government, is a direct result, in large part, of the legislature&#039;s failure to adequately address court-mandated changes in the property tax system.  Until it was too late.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Indiana legislature is like a rural fire department where I once lived.  They boasted that they&#039;d saved more home foundations than any other department around.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We don&#039;t need township government at all.  It&#039;s a wasteful layer of government.  Ad I&#039;m getting tired of legislators who duck tough issues.  Any township fix that isn&#039;t somewhat uniform will; be a patchwork quilt of even more ineffective and inept government.  That&#039;s how we got Center Township&#039;s excess property situation--someone went on a guying spree with public dollars, foolishly.  They were given a thumbs-up to do so by---taa daa!---a township board that defines lapdog.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lastly, Abdul, that whole double-dating reference was just, well...creepy.  On the same day a Congressman talks about arguing in the nude with Rahm Emmanuel.  Stop.  Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don&#39;t need referenda.  We need our elected representatives to step up and vote on actual issues.  Thagt&#39;s why we send them there.</p>
<p>For two yeas, these folks have boosted important issues, like excess school funding, to the referenda plate.  It&#39;s gutless.  The school funding crisis, for instance, as well as the coming crisis for all units of local government, is a direct result, in large part, of the legislature&#39;s failure to adequately address court-mandated changes in the property tax system.  Until it was too late.</p>
<p>The Indiana legislature is like a rural fire department where I once lived.  They boasted that they&#39;d saved more home foundations than any other department around.</p>
<p>We don&#39;t need township government at all.  It&#39;s a wasteful layer of government.  Ad I&#39;m getting tired of legislators who duck tough issues.  Any township fix that isn&#39;t somewhat uniform will; be a patchwork quilt of even more ineffective and inept government.  That&#39;s how we got Center Township&#39;s excess property situation&#8211;someone went on a guying spree with public dollars, foolishly.  They were given a thumbs-up to do so by&#8212;taa daa!&#8212;a township board that defines lapdog.</p>
<p>Lastly, Abdul, that whole double-dating reference was just, well&#8230;creepy.  On the same day a Congressman talks about arguing in the nude with Rahm Emmanuel.  Stop.  Please.</p>
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