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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 15:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2011 15:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<title>By: While I Was Out &#124; Indiana Barrister</title>
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		<dc:creator>While I Was Out &#124; Indiana Barrister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lincoln Plowman indictment does not surprise me.  If you read my post from March 9, I gave you most of the details.  Marion County Democrats are already have the web ads up and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lincoln Plowman indictment does not surprise me.  If you read my post from March 9, I gave you most of the details.  Marion County Democrats are already have the web ads up and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ibviral</title>
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		<dc:creator>ibviral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 04:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, now that the Republicans have a very smart, young man who happens to be black ,,all of a sudden he is not qualified because he is connected......?   WOW   TA, how does the crow taste?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Arron Williams will be holding the at large seat this time next year. Deal with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, now that the Republicans have a very smart, young man who happens to be black ,,all of a sudden he is not qualified because he is connected&#8230;&#8230;?   WOW   TA, how does the crow taste?</p>
<p>Arron Williams will be holding the at large seat this time next year. Deal with it.</p>
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		<title>By: pascal</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not whining about the facts but revealing them. According to Mr. Turner&#039;s latest the Marion, IN has reduced down to $20,000 a year for each employee in the system  for health care expenses only. Research away but also note that &lt;a href=&quot;http://us1.campaign-archive.com/?u=084023447eb604acf0dbf093f&amp;id=6f0f7fc200&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://us1.campaign-archive.com/?u=084023447eb6...&lt;/a&gt; 8% interest assumption our 150 dumbosans have trotted out to help cover the fact that THEY have been stealing from the Pension Plans-a practice of long standing. I imagine teachers are complicit in this theft and nest lining with tax payer feathers....I also imagine that the Indiana pension plans did not escaped the stock market meltdown and that no one is talking about the TOTAL RED INK in said plans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not whining about the facts but revealing them. According to Mr. Turner&#39;s latest the Marion, IN has reduced down to $20,000 a year for each employee in the system  for health care expenses only. Research away but also note that <a href="http://us1.campaign-archive.com/?u=084023447eb604acf0dbf093f&#038;id=6f0f7fc200" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://us1.campaign-archive.com/?u=084023447eb6.." rel="nofollow">http://us1.campaign-archive.com/?u=084023447eb6..</a>. 8% interest assumption our 150 dumbosans have trotted out to help cover the fact that THEY have been stealing from the Pension Plans-a practice of long standing. I imagine teachers are complicit in this theft and nest lining with tax payer feathers&#8230;.I also imagine that the Indiana pension plans did not escaped the stock market meltdown and that no one is talking about the TOTAL RED INK in said plans.</p>
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		<title>By: Think Again</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuzzy math--Friend a gambles with up to $20,000 a year, not $16,000 in personal expenses.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nah, we don&#039;t need any stinkin&#039; health care reform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuzzy math&#8211;Friend a gambles with up to $20,000 a year, not $16,000 in personal expenses.</p>
<p>Nah, we don&#39;t need any stinkin&#39; health care reform.</p>
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		<title>By: Think Again</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pascal, you&#039;ve whined about the $29,000 figure so much I&#039;m going to research it today or tomorrow.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But a caveat: I&#039;ve known Eric Turner for a long time.  On and off the legislative floor.  Bright he&#039;s not.  He is fairly typical in that Gang of 150, tho.  I&#039;ve learned to look at anything he says skeptically. SOme of the things he&#039;s said from the podium have been outright ridiculous.  Again--he&#039;s not alone, on both sides of the aisle.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Over the weekend, as part of that research, I asked two friends, who have good and excellent company-subsidized insurance, to give me a quick rundown on their insurance packages.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Friend A works for a small business (40 employees) for over ten years.  He&#039;s their CFO, so his answers were much more exact.  He is in charge of his company&#039;s insurance package and bidding each year.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He has a family of four...two kids in college. He pays $490 a month for basic catastrophic coverage---his choice.  He pays out of pocket for anything under $5,000 per person.  That means he gambles every year with up to $16,000 of personal medical expense liability. He pays another $233 a month for family dental, which he said was &quot;borderline worthwhile&quot; because of what it covers--he&#039;ll surely drop it once his kids get their own degrees and jobs. His company pays about $1200 monthly for his family&#039;s policy.  The company portion has risen proportionately with the employee share 45% since 2004.  It is with Anthem-Wellpointe. For the prior six years, the total insurance cost rose a collective 15%.  Total cost to his company and family per month: almost $1700 for medical, which pays for nothing under $5000, and the extra dental.  (Pascal, that&#039;s almost $20,400 for a family of four, without dental, for a catastrophic-only policy)  The reason the policy is so expensive, he note,d was that the company&#039;s claim history included four long-term cancer patients in the last five years.  God forbid anyone should get SICK while they have insurance.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;His company&#039;s insurance choices include a much more expensive lower deductible plan.  He said only four or five persons could, afford it any more.  And last year when he put that plan out for bid, he had only two others willing to bid, both comparably priced.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Friend B works for a large locally-based pharma company--you do the math.  He get fantastic prescription benefits--as in free--if the drug is company-manufactured.  He is an empty-nester, widower, and pays $405 a month for Cadillac benefits.  He was not exact about the company&#039;s share, but he thought it was around $600. That&#039;s over a thousand a month for a great plan, one person.  He said his cost of the plan had doubled in three years.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My guess is the $29K Marion figure includes the most-expensive options available, and contributions to teacher retirement funds (total benefit cost).  But I will check it out.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It behooves all of us to ask around and get educated.  I was shocked at the number of people at a Super Bowl party did not know their company&#039;s share of health care costs.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I will gladly report back after my Marion/Turner research.  If wrong, I&#039;ll gladly eat my words, Pascal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pascal, you&#39;ve whined about the $29,000 figure so much I&#39;m going to research it today or tomorrow.</p>
<p>But a caveat: I&#39;ve known Eric Turner for a long time.  On and off the legislative floor.  Bright he&#39;s not.  He is fairly typical in that Gang of 150, tho.  I&#39;ve learned to look at anything he says skeptically. SOme of the things he&#39;s said from the podium have been outright ridiculous.  Again&#8211;he&#39;s not alone, on both sides of the aisle.</p>
<p>Over the weekend, as part of that research, I asked two friends, who have good and excellent company-subsidized insurance, to give me a quick rundown on their insurance packages.</p>
<p>Friend A works for a small business (40 employees) for over ten years.  He&#39;s their CFO, so his answers were much more exact.  He is in charge of his company&#39;s insurance package and bidding each year.</p>
<p>He has a family of four&#8230;two kids in college. He pays $490 a month for basic catastrophic coverage&#8212;his choice.  He pays out of pocket for anything under $5,000 per person.  That means he gambles every year with up to $16,000 of personal medical expense liability. He pays another $233 a month for family dental, which he said was &#8220;borderline worthwhile&#8221; because of what it covers&#8211;he&#39;ll surely drop it once his kids get their own degrees and jobs. His company pays about $1200 monthly for his family&#39;s policy.  The company portion has risen proportionately with the employee share 45% since 2004.  It is with Anthem-Wellpointe. For the prior six years, the total insurance cost rose a collective 15%.  Total cost to his company and family per month: almost $1700 for medical, which pays for nothing under $5000, and the extra dental.  (Pascal, that&#39;s almost $20,400 for a family of four, without dental, for a catastrophic-only policy)  The reason the policy is so expensive, he note,d was that the company&#39;s claim history included four long-term cancer patients in the last five years.  God forbid anyone should get SICK while they have insurance.</p>
<p>His company&#39;s insurance choices include a much more expensive lower deductible plan.  He said only four or five persons could, afford it any more.  And last year when he put that plan out for bid, he had only two others willing to bid, both comparably priced.</p>
<p>Friend B works for a large locally-based pharma company&#8211;you do the math.  He get fantastic prescription benefits&#8211;as in free&#8211;if the drug is company-manufactured.  He is an empty-nester, widower, and pays $405 a month for Cadillac benefits.  He was not exact about the company&#39;s share, but he thought it was around $600. That&#39;s over a thousand a month for a great plan, one person.  He said his cost of the plan had doubled in three years.</p>
<p>My guess is the $29K Marion figure includes the most-expensive options available, and contributions to teacher retirement funds (total benefit cost).  But I will check it out.</p>
<p>It behooves all of us to ask around and get educated.  I was shocked at the number of people at a Super Bowl party did not know their company&#39;s share of health care costs.  </p>
<p>I will gladly report back after my Marion/Turner research.  If wrong, I&#39;ll gladly eat my words, Pascal.</p>
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		<title>By: pascal</title>
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		<dc:creator>pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the English language &quot;might&quot; means exactly no more or less than &quot;might not&quot;.  The example we have been using, donated to us by the esteemed Eric Turner, is that every employee in the Marion, IN school system with health care benefits cost the school system and its taxpayers $29,000 per year per employee.  Were that the case in IPS you could fire the whole administrative staff and still be quite deeply in RED INK.  Charter schools, as in Chicago, New Orleans are the answer here as well.  No one complains about bloated admin costs in charter schools SINCE THEY DONT EXIST.  Of course, neither do bloated compensation schemes like the $29,000 per year per employee for their health care benefits. New Orleans is now 60% charter schools and the performance differences will soon be VERY APPARENT.  In case there is any wondering, I would not give IPS another dime regardless of any lies they might come up with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the English language &#8220;might&#8221; means exactly no more or less than &#8220;might not&#8221;.  The example we have been using, donated to us by the esteemed Eric Turner, is that every employee in the Marion, IN school system with health care benefits cost the school system and its taxpayers $29,000 per year per employee.  Were that the case in IPS you could fire the whole administrative staff and still be quite deeply in RED INK.  Charter schools, as in Chicago, New Orleans are the answer here as well.  No one complains about bloated admin costs in charter schools SINCE THEY DONT EXIST.  Of course, neither do bloated compensation schemes like the $29,000 per year per employee for their health care benefits. New Orleans is now 60% charter schools and the performance differences will soon be VERY APPARENT.  In case there is any wondering, I would not give IPS another dime regardless of any lies they might come up with.</p>
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		<title>By: WatcherOnTheWall</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have known Lincoln since college and would trust him with my life now, just like I have in the past. Amazing how none of the Ds ever got this attention from the FBI...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have known Lincoln since college and would trust him with my life now, just like I have in the past. Amazing how none of the Ds ever got this attention from the FBI&#8230;</p>
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