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Racism; In Black and White

You would think that one of the last places a person would find racial issues would be the Indianapolis Chapter of the Indiana Democratic African-American Caucus.   That wasn’t the case on December 19th.

That was the day the group held elections for some tightly contested offices.  Who ran and who won is not important, what matters is that some black members of the group used its by-laws to exclude white members from voting.

My sources tell me that according to the by-laws, only members can vote, and the rules have been interpreted that only African-Americans can be members.  Whites can join the group, but only as associate members.  Associate members had voted in the past on issues, however at the election meeting of officers, the white members were told they could not vote because of their associate status and had to leave the room.   Of course there were some IDAAC members who wanted them to vote, but they were overruled.

All I can say about this is “wow”!  Had the roles been reversed and whites had told blacks they couldn’t participate in an organization they were members of, all holy you-know-what would break loose.  And in my opinion, it would be justified.  The same goes for here.

I’m not one to tell any organization how to run its internal affairs, but for an African-American organization to deny someone the right to vote because of skin color, that’s beyond the pale (pardon the pun).  If any group of people who should know better, it should be black folks.

I understand the historical roots of a lot of long-time black organizations and how membership traditionally was restricted to African-Americans, however in the 21st Century a lot of that has gone by the way side.  And for an organization that pushes for African-Americans to have full-inclusion in the political process, you don’t score points engaging in the same tactics that made the creation of your group necessary.

Two wrongs never make it right, but they make great racism.

  • wilson46201
  • John Doe

    Listed under Charter Members is Julia Carson.

  • Think Again

    I tried the Minority Report link, Wilson…it wouldn't work. What's up with that?

    This caucus has been out of touch for a long time, as a group. Some outstanding individual members, but as a group, they're out to lunch.

  • Michael D.

    The problem with the term “African-American” is that the words point to ethnicity, while the socially-expected meaning points to race. There are lots (although still a minority) of white Africans — especially in South Africa, but all over the continent! — and by extension, there are also white African-Americans (Americans of African descent). What should those people call themselves?

  • Think Again

    John, why does it matter than Julia's name is listed? By implication, are you trying to say, because she was a member, they're less credible? Hurley Goodall was a charter member, too. He was a longtime Muncie firefighter and legislator. What say you about his charter membership?

    Michael, why does it matter what a group calls themselves?

    Much jaw-flapping over nothing.

  • Michael D.

    @Think Again: I think ethnicity matters, at least to current and recent-generation immigrants. It's something like saying one is from New York, or from Indianapolis. But I also think it doesn't (or at least, shouldn't) matter too much at all for those whose lineage haven't immigrated here for a century or two or three. My point was (and is) that specifically, the term “African-American” that so many — even people who have no African lineage (e.g., Jamaica) — like to use is poorly-suited for individuals who are really trying to identify each other for their race.

  • Think Again

    Your thoughts about another person's/group's membership requirements are meaningless, Michael.

    Just as I don't care if you're French-American, German-American or African-American.

    What they want to call themselves is their business. What they advocate as public officials–that's the business of all of us.

    Their advocacy and their votes. Focus on what matters. Affiliated groups matter not one bit. Ditto the NRA, NAACP, Eagle Forum, et al.

    Forest for the trees, folks. What they're saying is a hell of a lot more important than their affiliations.

  • Michael D.

    Your claims to understand cross-cultural interactions are meaningless, Think Again. ;-) If you ever get the chance to live in, and work with and around, a culture completely different from yours, then you'll understand why it does indeed matter, and why everyone, in every action and interaction, sees people, problems, issues, advocacy and votes through the very personal lens shaped by their cultural experience and understanding.

    … based on academic, professional, and personal cross-cultural research and experience.

    Yes, advocacy and votes are what matter. But for recent (again, the people my comments referred to) cultural émigrés, those perceptions will always be shaped in part by the experiences and knowledge gained in their home culture.

  • pascal

    The NAACP was controlled almost from its inception by whites although it did usually have a figure head who was non-white.

  • IndyRacer57

    I remember the sixties when there were several suits about white only clubs. There was a fishing lake if I remember correctly that close because the owner did not want blacks in there. Now is seems that things are turned around. Its OK to have a black only Caucus that only blacks get to vote. I would love to see a law suit started. I find that the African-American community has incurred within more racist attitude of today that would balance out the raciest of the 60's and 70's Remember when the government came around to see how many blacks you had working for you? Why do they want to be separated by race? isn't that what they fraught years to overcome and now they are part of it.

  • patriotpaul

    You'll not likely hear this elsewhere. A+ reporting to Abdul on this one. When will they set up associate member water fountains and bathrooms?

  • wilson46201

    It looks like the odd couple of Abdul and Gary Welsh are tag-teaming this weekend desperately defending their GOP which can barely get 10% of the African-American vote. Black voters know where the real racists are and shun Republicans overwhelmingly.

  • John Doe

    “John, why does it matter than Julia's name is listed? By implication, are you trying to say, because she was a member, they're less credible?”

    I guess “Charter Members” in this case means “Founding Members?” I figured they were current members of the organization. I was pointing out her listed as a current member to show that the link/webpage obviously isn't updated with any regularity, but I get the meaning of “Charter Members” now. Thanks for correcting this for me. As far as being less credible…the only way I see them being less credible with Julia listed as a member is if they said they were a pro-individual freedom group. Then yea, I would say they likely weren't credible given the socialist beliefs held by many of the names I saw posted.

  • Rico

    …and what has voting Democrat done for the black community, Wilson? The same complaints continue to come from so-called black leadership regarding equal opportunity, etc. And black folks seem to be worse off in large urban areas run by……Democrats (often black Democrats). It is obvious to most thinking Americans who the real racist, separatist are. Just look at comments by Joe Biden and Harry Reid as an example of where the true ignorance lies regarding our ethnically-diverse culture.

    I hope one day the black community will wake up, kick Jackson and Sharpton to the curb, and begin viewing themselves as American first.
    However, now that we have a race pimp in the Whitehouse, I don't see things getting better in the near future.

  • Indiana_Barrister

    Hey Wilson, putting me in the same sentence with Gary Welsh is the quickest way to get sent to Indiana Discussion. Don't do that again.

  • IndyErnie

    Looks as though Wilson might be the first to get the hatchet…would be well deserved.

  • Dobie

    Not allowing whites to vote is racism – pure and simple. Why people aren't screaming about it is beyond me. Apparently no one is allowed to be called a racist unless he is a white male Republican. Take a look at the quote from Harry Reid. If a Republican had made that remark – Democrats would be screaming for his resignation. But when a Democrat makes it – the reply from the head of the DNC on Meet the Press was (and this is not an exact quote, but it is close) “He meant it as a compliment.”

  • pascal

    It is a private group. The Boy Scouts exclude people with whom they do not wish to associate. The Right of Free Association is a basic one. The take of Groucho Marx was, “I wouldn't be a member of any Club that would have me!” I never heard of this group before and their antics would seem to ensure that I never will have to worry about them having any influence at all.

  • malercous

    I agree that two wrongs don't make a right. However, I am firm in my belief that three lefts do.

  • Think Again

    Race pimp? Please, Rico.

    Michael, you have no idea about my background, working environment and daily life. Let's just say it's multi-cultural, and filled with folks of all age and background.

    'Has been such for over 25 years.

    And it IS about their views and votes.

  • pascal

    http://patterico.com/2010/01/11/clarence-thomas... Lots of folks like to beat up on Judge Thomas but the racism ploy is only a tool, well worn, used mostly by hypocrites in the media.

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