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		<title>By: Taxpayer 834512</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2010/01/fear_factors.html/comment-page-1#comment-30916</link>
		<dc:creator>Taxpayer 834512</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe this doesn&#039;t go far under new rules of engagement.  I agree re put the kibosh on stimulus hoarding, further Middle Eastern excursions, and cutting taxes at the same time spending is increasing wildly(?!?).  However, the latest &#039;Economist&#039; issue on global assest bubble(s) is contending less gov&#039;t spending is needed.  If D.C. wants to spend genuine revenue to reduce debt or deficit we&#039;re leaving for our kids, or give it back to us to spend - fine.  But, I don&#039;t think anybody, internationally or domestically, takes us fiscally &quot;serious&quot; again until we acknowledge it&#039;s past 3 AM, time to leave the last case of gin unopened, and bipartisanly start the detox program - beginning with the present administration.  The conversation from people protesting in Bloomington Saturday was in the same ballpark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe this doesn&#39;t go far under new rules of engagement.  I agree re put the kibosh on stimulus hoarding, further Middle Eastern excursions, and cutting taxes at the same time spending is increasing wildly(?!?).  However, the latest &#39;Economist&#39; issue on global assest bubble(s) is contending less gov&#39;t spending is needed.  If D.C. wants to spend genuine revenue to reduce debt or deficit we&#39;re leaving for our kids, or give it back to us to spend &#8211; fine.  But, I don&#39;t think anybody, internationally or domestically, takes us fiscally &#8220;serious&#8221; again until we acknowledge it&#39;s past 3 AM, time to leave the last case of gin unopened, and bipartisanly start the detox program &#8211; beginning with the present administration.  The conversation from people protesting in Bloomington Saturday was in the same ballpark.</p>
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		<title>By: IndyErnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndyErnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul I haven&#039;t had any dealings with David. I&#039;ve meet him and he seems to be a likeable guy. &lt;br&gt;Tom and I are well acquainted. He and I had a difference of opinion on an issue a year ago. We came to an understanding after talking the issue through and we worked out a compromise. The result worked for both of us. I can’t consider someone a knuckle dragger if they are willing to reverse a decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul I haven&#39;t had any dealings with David. I&#39;ve meet him and he seems to be a likeable guy. <br />Tom and I are well acquainted. He and I had a difference of opinion on an issue a year ago. We came to an understanding after talking the issue through and we worked out a compromise. The result worked for both of us. I can’t consider someone a knuckle dragger if they are willing to reverse a decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Rico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about our new Affirmative Action Justice Sotomayor?  She has a command of the English language that would make Archie Bunker proud.  If there are any mental midgets on the Court, she would be the first to qualify.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about our new Affirmative Action Justice Sotomayor?  She has a command of the English language that would make Archie Bunker proud.  If there are any mental midgets on the Court, she would be the first to qualify.</p>
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		<title>By: Rico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please don&#039;t confuse Think Again with reality, Paul.  He (she,it) wants to hang the entire argument around the 5-4 opinion.  It is also conveniently forgotten that each independent Florida vote count after the election went to Bush. This was despsite the fact that the national media called Florida for Gore before folks in the panhandle were even done voting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#39;t confuse Think Again with reality, Paul.  He (she,it) wants to hang the entire argument around the 5-4 opinion.  It is also conveniently forgotten that each independent Florida vote count after the election went to Bush. This was despsite the fact that the national media called Florida for Gore before folks in the panhandle were even done voting.</p>
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		<title>By: pogden297</title>
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		<dc:creator>pogden297</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well you can start with Tom John and David Brooks.</description>
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		<title>By: pogden297</title>
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		<dc:creator>pogden297</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Bush v. Gore, the key vote (on the equal protection clause issue) on the Supreme Court was 7-2.  Democrat-apointed judges voted with the majority saying it was a violation of the Equal Protection Clause to do the selective recount Gore wanted.  It was hardly an extreme position taken by the Court.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The 5-4 opinon was on whether to remand with instructions to redo the count statewide instead of the selective count.  Five justices voted to end it right there, while 4 wanted the recount to proceed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;People have forgotten this - they portray it as a 5-4 extreme decision which it wasn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Bush v. Gore, the key vote (on the equal protection clause issue) on the Supreme Court was 7-2.  Democrat-apointed judges voted with the majority saying it was a violation of the Equal Protection Clause to do the selective recount Gore wanted.  It was hardly an extreme position taken by the Court.</p>
<p>The 5-4 opinon was on whether to remand with instructions to redo the count statewide instead of the selective count.  Five justices voted to end it right there, while 4 wanted the recount to proceed.</p>
<p>People have forgotten this &#8211; they portray it as a 5-4 extreme decision which it wasn&#39;t.</p>
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		<title>By: pascal</title>
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		<dc:creator>pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 22:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, at least your bs is consistent in quality. As to the thread, however, let&#039;s bring it closer to home.  Under Grutter the IU Law School may recruit persons of color from states outside of Indiana and prefer them admission over students from Indiana who not only pay taxes in Indiana but have better grades, better LSATS, better recommendations.  It matters not that admission of unqualified applicants leads to IU law school graduates unable to pass bar exams, all of this done at the expense of Indiana taxpayers. That is, for those who manage to endure and not drop out due to inability to compete.   But, all this will go away in 25 years according to the ditz you defend? That is, judging a person strictly by skin color is all right now but won&#039;t be all right when the ditz&#039;s time period expires? Whatever happened to the thought expressed by the following &quot;No state shall... deny to any person  the equal protection of the laws&quot;. Pertinant to the ditz was Thomas&#039;s rejoiner....&quot;...I believe the Constitution means the same thing today as it will in 300 months&quot;. If the University of Michigan Law School could take skin color into account for its genteel version of racism then other law schools (and people) can take skin color into account equally to discriminate for or against persons of color.  Does this occur at IU Law School?  Not a problem for you if it does since your bs is consistently &quot;liberal&quot;. As they are far left liberals down there I expect they are cheating Indiana taxpayers and the Legislature ought to look into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, at least your bs is consistent in quality. As to the thread, however, let&#39;s bring it closer to home.  Under Grutter the IU Law School may recruit persons of color from states outside of Indiana and prefer them admission over students from Indiana who not only pay taxes in Indiana but have better grades, better LSATS, better recommendations.  It matters not that admission of unqualified applicants leads to IU law school graduates unable to pass bar exams, all of this done at the expense of Indiana taxpayers. That is, for those who manage to endure and not drop out due to inability to compete.   But, all this will go away in 25 years according to the ditz you defend? That is, judging a person strictly by skin color is all right now but won&#39;t be all right when the ditz&#39;s time period expires? Whatever happened to the thought expressed by the following &#8220;No state shall&#8230; deny to any person  the equal protection of the laws&#8221;. Pertinant to the ditz was Thomas&#39;s rejoiner&#8230;.&#8221;&#8230;I believe the Constitution means the same thing today as it will in 300 months&#8221;. If the University of Michigan Law School could take skin color into account for its genteel version of racism then other law schools (and people) can take skin color into account equally to discriminate for or against persons of color.  Does this occur at IU Law School?  Not a problem for you if it does since your bs is consistently &#8220;liberal&#8221;. As they are far left liberals down there I expect they are cheating Indiana taxpayers and the Legislature ought to look into it.</p>
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		<title>By: Think Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Think Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 20:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alas, pascal, again you&#039;re wrong.  Reharding my reading.  It&#039;s a boring reading stack, to be sure, but it&#039;s there. That&#039;s immaterial. I will allow that the firefighter case, and the Michigan university admissions case, provide us with a snapshot of current-court thinking on quotas, race, etc.  It is a moving target, highly-dependent on the items properly contaiend in the cert, and not one paragraph more. So the cinema is necessarily narrow, due to the narrow facts in the cert. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But when you call O&#039;Connor a ditz, you demonstrate huge ego and ignorance.   For instance:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I rarely agree with the opinions, written or verbal, of Mr. Justice Scalia.  But I pour over any opinion he writes, and I try to familiarize myself with the matters on cert in that case.  Because he&#039;s one of the court&#039;s most-brilliant writers ever.  I learn every time I read him.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, if you were to ascribe the word &quot;ditz&quot; to Mr. Justice Thomas, oath delivered 10-1991, then I, and most court watchers, would heartily agree.  Not because of his philosophical views, which are, by the by, ancient.  But because he has the intellectual cusiosity of a toad.  Which insults frogs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You should read Bush-v-Gore.  It&#039;s amazing in its content and scope.  The court ruled 5-4 that the Fla. Supreme Court could not continue their review of the election.  That&#039;s it.  No more, no less.  The implications were severe...as we all know.  Hanging chads and all.&lt;br&gt;The fact that the court even agreed to hear the case before recounts were complete was viewed as landmark.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Taxpayer, normally I&#039;d agree with you re:spending.  But the economists I read, from all stripes, indicate the following;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Our economy is hopelessly tied to consumption.  Like it or loathe it, over 80% of its fuel is consumption-driven.  Would that it were savings- or investment-driven, but, it&#039;s not.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Take that unpleasant fact and couple it with this:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For seven years, our government spent hundreds of billions on an improbable and unwinnable war.  At the same time we cut taxes to the wealthiest among us.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, I&#039;m all for tax cuts when appropriate.  Mine and yours, to be exact.  But these dopey actions were practically akin to your household budget increasing by 75% and your income descreaing by 40-50%.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What you or the feds SPEND that money on, that&#039;s open for argument.  What&#039;s not open for argument is the math.  You simply cannot spend that kind of money, and decrease your income, without huge deficits.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And when those deficits accumulate at this rate, the only entity that can thaw the economy is the printer of money, aka stimulus spending.  I&#039;d hoped we&#039;d see more in that department, but for some reason, it&#039;s not being spent fast enough on worthwhile infrastructure projects.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t rail against the money, so much as I rail against the practice of hoarding the stimulus cash.  If government is going shopping, why the hell keep the money in mama&#039;s pocketbook?  Spend the damned money already, so more folks cna get to work, pay taxes (at whatever rate) and get this God-be-damned deficit tackled.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Before my kids reach retirement age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas, pascal, again you&#39;re wrong.  Reharding my reading.  It&#39;s a boring reading stack, to be sure, but it&#39;s there. That&#39;s immaterial. I will allow that the firefighter case, and the Michigan university admissions case, provide us with a snapshot of current-court thinking on quotas, race, etc.  It is a moving target, highly-dependent on the items properly contaiend in the cert, and not one paragraph more. So the cinema is necessarily narrow, due to the narrow facts in the cert. </p>
<p>But when you call O&#39;Connor a ditz, you demonstrate huge ego and ignorance.   For instance:</p>
<p>I rarely agree with the opinions, written or verbal, of Mr. Justice Scalia.  But I pour over any opinion he writes, and I try to familiarize myself with the matters on cert in that case.  Because he&#39;s one of the court&#39;s most-brilliant writers ever.  I learn every time I read him.</p>
<p>Now, if you were to ascribe the word &#8220;ditz&#8221; to Mr. Justice Thomas, oath delivered 10-1991, then I, and most court watchers, would heartily agree.  Not because of his philosophical views, which are, by the by, ancient.  But because he has the intellectual cusiosity of a toad.  Which insults frogs.</p>
<p>You should read Bush-v-Gore.  It&#39;s amazing in its content and scope.  The court ruled 5-4 that the Fla. Supreme Court could not continue their review of the election.  That&#39;s it.  No more, no less.  The implications were severe&#8230;as we all know.  Hanging chads and all.<br />The fact that the court even agreed to hear the case before recounts were complete was viewed as landmark.  </p>
<p>Taxpayer, normally I&#39;d agree with you re:spending.  But the economists I read, from all stripes, indicate the following;</p>
<p>Our economy is hopelessly tied to consumption.  Like it or loathe it, over 80% of its fuel is consumption-driven.  Would that it were savings- or investment-driven, but, it&#39;s not.</p>
<p>Take that unpleasant fact and couple it with this:</p>
<p>For seven years, our government spent hundreds of billions on an improbable and unwinnable war.  At the same time we cut taxes to the wealthiest among us.</p>
<p>Now, I&#39;m all for tax cuts when appropriate.  Mine and yours, to be exact.  But these dopey actions were practically akin to your household budget increasing by 75% and your income descreaing by 40-50%.  </p>
<p>What you or the feds SPEND that money on, that&#39;s open for argument.  What&#39;s not open for argument is the math.  You simply cannot spend that kind of money, and decrease your income, without huge deficits.</p>
<p>And when those deficits accumulate at this rate, the only entity that can thaw the economy is the printer of money, aka stimulus spending.  I&#39;d hoped we&#39;d see more in that department, but for some reason, it&#39;s not being spent fast enough on worthwhile infrastructure projects.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t rail against the money, so much as I rail against the practice of hoarding the stimulus cash.  If government is going shopping, why the hell keep the money in mama&#39;s pocketbook?  Spend the damned money already, so more folks cna get to work, pay taxes (at whatever rate) and get this God-be-damned deficit tackled.</p>
<p>Before my kids reach retirement age.</p>
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		<title>By: pascal</title>
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		<dc:creator>pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 20:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any good library will provide you a copy of Getting Under the Skin of &quot;Diversity&quot; by Larry Purdy-a name you would recognize had you actually read the Grutter decision. I suspect that you haven&#039;t read it or Palin&#039;s book although you claim to be widely read and to have read both pieces.   O&#039;Conner was a ditz-still is.  Grutter has no effect in Michigan since voters amended their laws to prevent the racist outcome desired by O&#039;Conner. Her racist decision affects the rest of the country until over ruled by something like the firemen out East (which decision I have not read). Purdy, in passing, points out the near total judicial corruption of the US court system in the procedural matters of this case done with the assist of the unlamented Lyin of the Senate, your hero(who even the worms are rejecting).&lt;br&gt;    I&#039;ve not read Bush v Gore but am familiar with stolen elections. We have evidence of that in Indiana (Bloomington), Chicago, Washington State, St. Louis, Minnesota.  R&#039;s are generally to stupid to steal anything less than a railroad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any good library will provide you a copy of Getting Under the Skin of &#8220;Diversity&#8221; by Larry Purdy-a name you would recognize had you actually read the Grutter decision. I suspect that you haven&#39;t read it or Palin&#39;s book although you claim to be widely read and to have read both pieces.   O&#39;Conner was a ditz-still is.  Grutter has no effect in Michigan since voters amended their laws to prevent the racist outcome desired by O&#39;Conner. Her racist decision affects the rest of the country until over ruled by something like the firemen out East (which decision I have not read). Purdy, in passing, points out the near total judicial corruption of the US court system in the procedural matters of this case done with the assist of the unlamented Lyin of the Senate, your hero(who even the worms are rejecting).<br />    I&#39;ve not read Bush v Gore but am familiar with stolen elections. We have evidence of that in Indiana (Bloomington), Chicago, Washington State, St. Louis, Minnesota.  R&#39;s are generally to stupid to steal anything less than a railroad.</p>
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		<title>By: Taxpayer 834512</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taxpayer 834512</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 19:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, while you make a very good statistical point, I think we&#039;re both speculating on why, &quot;...they REALLY did that.&quot;  It requires us to look into motivation for behavior when my point is instead of speculation, let&#039;s debate facts on issues.    &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve railed about government overspending and poor parenting for years, and poor journalism more of late.  With Bush still in office, I called Abdul on these topics, carried signs on Meridian St., and spoke as a citizen at City-Council.  Thanks to the public figures that encouraged my participation.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s with &quot;legitimate disagreements&quot; that I again protest today in Bloomington.  I don&#039;t hate all women because of Nancy Pelosi, nor all white guys because of Ted Stevens, nor everybody of color because of President Obama.  The conversation and signs of the people I&#039;ve met on protests seem to be of a similar ilk.   But, I can&#039;t look into all their hearts, nor those of voters on election day.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wish the present administration were pursuing economics differently, and agree with the stances on enhanced EPA mileage, withdrawl from Iraq, and an emphasis on volunteerism and education.  But, quadrupling the incredible deficit Bush handed over, while expanding government and still borrowing billions per day is NUTS to me:  black, white, purple with three horns, whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, while you make a very good statistical point, I think we&#39;re both speculating on why, &#8220;&#8230;they REALLY did that.&#8221;  It requires us to look into motivation for behavior when my point is instead of speculation, let&#39;s debate facts on issues.    </p>
<p>I&#39;ve railed about government overspending and poor parenting for years, and poor journalism more of late.  With Bush still in office, I called Abdul on these topics, carried signs on Meridian St., and spoke as a citizen at City-Council.  Thanks to the public figures that encouraged my participation.  </p>
<p>It&#39;s with &#8220;legitimate disagreements&#8221; that I again protest today in Bloomington.  I don&#39;t hate all women because of Nancy Pelosi, nor all white guys because of Ted Stevens, nor everybody of color because of President Obama.  The conversation and signs of the people I&#39;ve met on protests seem to be of a similar ilk.   But, I can&#39;t look into all their hearts, nor those of voters on election day.</p>
<p>I wish the present administration were pursuing economics differently, and agree with the stances on enhanced EPA mileage, withdrawl from Iraq, and an emphasis on volunteerism and education.  But, quadrupling the incredible deficit Bush handed over, while expanding government and still borrowing billions per day is NUTS to me:  black, white, purple with three horns, whatever.</p>
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