Comments on: Let’s Make A Deal

By: IndyRacer57

IndyRacer57 — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:12:33 +0000

As I stated earlier, if you come up with the money, then smoking is OK. If they really wanted to do something about smoking then they would start avocation the ban of the product. Not more money in certain peoples pocket. Why do you think that government still pays the farmer to grow tobacco?

By: IndyRacer57

IndyRacer57 — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:12:33 +0000

By: guest

guest — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:46:13 +0000

Suggestion to fine Councilman that introduced/authored the smoke free bill that failed. I would implement a tobacco choice tax. For those establishments that choose smoking, charge a 1% tax (property or sales). The money raised could be used for the Marion County Health Department to pay for cancer patients treatment. Or Smoke Free Marion County. You see it comes down to choice. If you choose to go to a smoke establishment, you choose to pay more in taxes. If you choose to go to a smoke free establishment, you pay less and don't smell like an ashtray. So libertarians, there you go. Give folks choices for good behavior (smoke free) and not so good choices (smoke) Your thoughts Indyundercover????

By: Think Again

Think Again — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:59:45 +0000

I was stunned at the price--thought they'd be cheaper.

At whatever price, they don't work.

I'm all grown up; thanks though. Relax. It's an ordinance (or not). Not the end of the free world.

By: Woza

Woza — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:15:43 +0000

TA, I love this game.

How about: "I have a friend" who installed these machines and they did a wonderful job removing the smoke and the stench. They even helped make fat people skinny and the depressed happy. They are the best machines ever.

What other juvenile comeback do you got?

You and your "friends", please, grow up.

By: Think Again

Think Again — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 11:49:41 +0000

I wish there were machiens that did what you describe, John Howard. A good friend/bar owner spent $5500 each on three machines for an already-well-ventilated room that's about 1200 SF. The manufacturer's stipulations required two machines, but he bought three to be extra-sure. They were top-of-the-line.

It helped, but the stench was still there. I don't eat food there any more. It's just not appetizing.

That's my reality, Rico. What else ya got?

By: IndyAries

IndyAries — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:51:01 +0000

My thoughts;

* Exempt private clubs, tobacco shops and cigar bars. / Why not exempt any establishment that wants to permit smoking ON THEIR PROPERTY?
* Ban smoking in bowling alleys that allow children. / As long as the PROPERTY OWNER has the absolute RIGHT to decide who may enter upon THEIR PROPERTY, then okay.
* Create an on-line job board of non-smoking bars so that servers and waiters who don’t want to work in a smoking environment don’t have to.
* Work with state and local health departments to create a tobacco cessation hotline where smokers who want to quit can get help and work with bar owners to publish that number in their establishments. / I'll agree to "to publish that number in their establishments at their discretion."
* Eliminate the “no-smoking within 25 feet” of a non-smoking building because at that point you’ve turned an ordinary citizen walking down the street smoking a cigarette into a criminal. / This makes the most sense of all.
* Issue tobacco licenses to every bar and tavern that allows smoking. As long the owner has the license, he or she can have smoking. If they sell the business or transfer ownership the license goes back to the city which it can hold or sell. This way, no one has to change their business model and anyone going into the bar business know exactly what they’re getting into. / Absolutely NO LICENSE needed for allowing legal activity ON YOUR PROPERTY. This idea is insane...unless your a Statist.

By: IndyAries

IndyAries — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:41:39 +0000

Yeah….in TA's world, devices used to remove tobacco smoke must remove every micro-particle, or they do not work AT ALL. But, these same machines can leave all manner of other pollutants in the air.

It's all good….as long as it isn't that evil, deadly tobacco smoke.

By: IndyAries

IndyAries — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:38:19 +0000

Only if you are pro-Statist, and anti-Liberty.

By: Guest

Guest — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:34:48 +0000

it's all cool!