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		<title>By: Kris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 06:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about the townships (we here so little of their dirty laundry) but we all know where the fat is in IPS and it&#039;s not in the classrooms. Remember all these principals who lost their jobs and were moved downtown? All those folks making hundreds of thousands of dollars, with a separate, more expensive insurance package from teachers! Why not freeze or CUT administrators salaries, and reduce their benefits? One of them easily equals two teachers in terms of pay! &lt;br&gt;What about using the public bus system for transporating students? Why pay teachers their hourly rate for individual instruction of homebound students when this can be done online? &lt;br&gt;Cutting cafeteria workers, teachers aids... doesn&#039;t impact the budget enough to matter.&lt;br&gt;Has anyone checked the IPS bugdet for waste or even ghost employment? Oh, yeah. We don&#039;t need to look at the budget!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t know about the townships (we here so little of their dirty laundry) but we all know where the fat is in IPS and it&#39;s not in the classrooms. Remember all these principals who lost their jobs and were moved downtown? All those folks making hundreds of thousands of dollars, with a separate, more expensive insurance package from teachers! Why not freeze or CUT administrators salaries, and reduce their benefits? One of them easily equals two teachers in terms of pay! <br />What about using the public bus system for transporating students? Why pay teachers their hourly rate for individual instruction of homebound students when this can be done online? <br />Cutting cafeteria workers, teachers aids&#8230; doesn&#39;t impact the budget enough to matter.<br />Has anyone checked the IPS bugdet for waste or even ghost employment? Oh, yeah. We don&#39;t need to look at the budget!</p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about the townships (we here so little of their dirty laundry) but we all know where the fat is in IPS and it&#039;s not in the classrooms. Remember all these principals who lost their jobs and were moved downtown? All those folks making hundreds of thousands of dollars, with a separate, more expensive insurance package from teachers! Why not freeze or CUT administrators salaries, and reduce their benefits? One of them easily equals two teachers in terms of pay! &lt;br&gt;What about using the public bus system for transporating students? Why pay teachers their hourly rate for individual instruction of homebound students when this can be done online? &lt;br&gt;Cutting cafeteria workers, teachers aids... doesn&#039;t impact the budget enough to matter.&lt;br&gt;Has anyone checked the IPS bugdet for waste or even ghost employment? Oh, yeah. We don&#039;t need to look at the budget!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t know about the townships (we here so little of their dirty laundry) but we all know where the fat is in IPS and it&#39;s not in the classrooms. Remember all these principals who lost their jobs and were moved downtown? All those folks making hundreds of thousands of dollars, with a separate, more expensive insurance package from teachers! Why not freeze or CUT administrators salaries, and reduce their benefits? One of them easily equals two teachers in terms of pay! <br />What about using the public bus system for transporating students? Why pay teachers their hourly rate for individual instruction of homebound students when this can be done online? <br />Cutting cafeteria workers, teachers aids&#8230; doesn&#39;t impact the budget enough to matter.<br />Has anyone checked the IPS bugdet for waste or even ghost employment? Oh, yeah. We don&#39;t need to look at the budget!</p>
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		<title>By: First Things First &#124; Northwest Indiana and Beyond</title>
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		<dc:creator>First Things First &#124; Northwest Indiana and Beyond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Indiana Barrister reports that there is a ray of sunshine in the revenue forecast that Gov. Mitch Daniels calls dire. The Web site also has audio from the governor explaining the situation. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Indiana Barrister reports that there is a ray of sunshine in the revenue forecast that Gov. Mitch Daniels calls dire. The Web site also has audio from the governor explaining the situation. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear Bill Withers singing, &quot;Ain&#039;t no surplus when it&#039;s gone...&quot;  Let&#039;s build a song.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear Bill Withers singing, &#8220;Ain&#39;t no surplus when it&#39;s gone&#8230;&#8221;  Let&#39;s build a song.</p>
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		<title>By: Think Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Think Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, John, you&#039;re wrong.  It&#039;s not a numbers game the universities play.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In my example, the bonds to pay for new construction were guaranteed entirely with non-taxpayer money.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Except the money they got from this taxpayer that paid for my kids&#039; education at IU.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Make no mistake--there&#039;s fat in the IU budget.  Galore.  But the construction side of things is a different story.  They cleaned up their act on that a long time ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, John, you&#39;re wrong.  It&#39;s not a numbers game the universities play.</p>
<p>In my example, the bonds to pay for new construction were guaranteed entirely with non-taxpayer money.</p>
<p>Except the money they got from this taxpayer that paid for my kids&#39; education at IU.</p>
<p>Make no mistake&#8211;there&#39;s fat in the IU budget.  Galore.  But the construction side of things is a different story.  They cleaned up their act on that a long time ago.</p>
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		<title>By: John Doe</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;All the building programs are bonded via tuition or fee support, not state general revenue.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is just a numbers game they play.  IU sits on a billion, but wants the state to pay for this and that.  The state says OK, which allows IU to use less of its billions, and raising tuition, to build the buildings.  Not only that, they buildings they build are ridiculous, especially the new campus center.  Why the hell is half the building an open air, five story atrium?  When the first opened the building in the winter, it was freezing cold at the floor level, extremely hot at the upper levels.  There is nothing green about this building at all.  Wasted space, horrible climate control, etc..  But it is what someone wanted, so it gets rubber stamped.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;As for Ivy Tech winning the &quot;community college&quot; battle, if there ever was one, are you stoned? On no planet is that true.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We may not have a &quot;community college,&quot; but Ivy Tech won the non-traditional student battle.  The amount of weekend college classes down at IUPUI has dropped significantly.  I have heard a few reasons why this is:&lt;br&gt;#1: IUPUI, and IU as a whole, wanted to be thought of as a traditional university.  Bloomington had that identity, but not IUPUI.  Having a bunch of working adults taking two classes a semester after work on on the weekends didn&#039;t build the bond they want between the student and the school.  My guess is that they figure the stronger the bond, the more likely they will donate money to the school later in life??&lt;br&gt;#2: Last year, IUPUI&#039;s full-time student population grew to the largest it has ever been, while the part-time student number dropped.  My understanding is that the state is no longer writing checks based solely on enrollment, but now they are factoring in retention.  Well, you are more likely to retain a full-time teenage student than a part-time adult with kids and a full-time job to deal with.  All you have to do is head down to IUPUI and see how dead it is now on the weekends, just a handful of classes are held on the weekends now.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;All them &quot;social&quot; programs got us into this mess, so we need to go back to social-Darwinism to make everything right.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Funny how the leftist want to force the teachings of Darwin when it comes to history, but heaven forbid we actually put his teachings into practice.  Hey, even I don&#039;t want people starving.  It doesn&#039;t really matter though.  We have too many 24 year olds who have four kids, all with different daddies, and who will continue to pop out more and more mouths to feed.  All the while, my friends who are actually productive can only afford two kids.  Eventually, demanding all the productive people&#039;s money is going to force their kids to see that being productive is being a slave, thus many of the off-spring of the productive will choose the poor, inner city life because to be productive is to be a slave given how much debt you have to take on to be productive (college costs) and the amount of the fruits of your labor are stolen to pay a six-figure wages to K-12 administrators.  There is a breaking point.  We saw it with the property tax issue a couple years ago.  The need for that money didn&#039;t go away, the state just spread the costs across all 92 counties (Thanks Mitch) to prevent a damn riot and white, rich liberal flight to the suburbs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All the building programs are bonded via tuition or fee support, not state general revenue.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is just a numbers game they play.  IU sits on a billion, but wants the state to pay for this and that.  The state says OK, which allows IU to use less of its billions, and raising tuition, to build the buildings.  Not only that, they buildings they build are ridiculous, especially the new campus center.  Why the hell is half the building an open air, five story atrium?  When the first opened the building in the winter, it was freezing cold at the floor level, extremely hot at the upper levels.  There is nothing green about this building at all.  Wasted space, horrible climate control, etc..  But it is what someone wanted, so it gets rubber stamped.</p>
<p>&#8220;As for Ivy Tech winning the &#8220;community college&#8221; battle, if there ever was one, are you stoned? On no planet is that true.&#8221;</p>
<p>We may not have a &#8220;community college,&#8221; but Ivy Tech won the non-traditional student battle.  The amount of weekend college classes down at IUPUI has dropped significantly.  I have heard a few reasons why this is:<br />#1: IUPUI, and IU as a whole, wanted to be thought of as a traditional university.  Bloomington had that identity, but not IUPUI.  Having a bunch of working adults taking two classes a semester after work on on the weekends didn&#39;t build the bond they want between the student and the school.  My guess is that they figure the stronger the bond, the more likely they will donate money to the school later in life??<br />#2: Last year, IUPUI&#39;s full-time student population grew to the largest it has ever been, while the part-time student number dropped.  My understanding is that the state is no longer writing checks based solely on enrollment, but now they are factoring in retention.  Well, you are more likely to retain a full-time teenage student than a part-time adult with kids and a full-time job to deal with.  All you have to do is head down to IUPUI and see how dead it is now on the weekends, just a handful of classes are held on the weekends now.</p>
<p>&#8220;All them &#8220;social&#8221; programs got us into this mess, so we need to go back to social-Darwinism to make everything right.&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny how the leftist want to force the teachings of Darwin when it comes to history, but heaven forbid we actually put his teachings into practice.  Hey, even I don&#39;t want people starving.  It doesn&#39;t really matter though.  We have too many 24 year olds who have four kids, all with different daddies, and who will continue to pop out more and more mouths to feed.  All the while, my friends who are actually productive can only afford two kids.  Eventually, demanding all the productive people&#39;s money is going to force their kids to see that being productive is being a slave, thus many of the off-spring of the productive will choose the poor, inner city life because to be productive is to be a slave given how much debt you have to take on to be productive (college costs) and the amount of the fruits of your labor are stolen to pay a six-figure wages to K-12 administrators.  There is a breaking point.  We saw it with the property tax issue a couple years ago.  The need for that money didn&#39;t go away, the state just spread the costs across all 92 counties (Thanks Mitch) to prevent a damn riot and white, rich liberal flight to the suburbs.</p>
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		<title>By: malercous</title>
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		<dc:creator>malercous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Abdul; It seems that my imaginary friend has gotten access to my computer. I think he&#039;s on drugs, or at least drinking again. I don&#039;t know where he gets the money and my stash is no smaller. I also suspect him of being a conservative, and likely a homo too if he runs true to the breed.&lt;br&gt;We haven&#039;t been speaking much in the last 2 weeks, something about a traumatic experience in his childhood which he apparrently holds against me. (he&#039;s 11 yrs. younger and it has something to do with Halloween, I&#039;m not clear on all the details) I&#039;ll try to keep him off of here in the future. Rest assured, he is grounded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Abdul; It seems that my imaginary friend has gotten access to my computer. I think he&#39;s on drugs, or at least drinking again. I don&#39;t know where he gets the money and my stash is no smaller. I also suspect him of being a conservative, and likely a homo too if he runs true to the breed.<br />We haven&#39;t been speaking much in the last 2 weeks, something about a traumatic experience in his childhood which he apparrently holds against me. (he&#39;s 11 yrs. younger and it has something to do with Halloween, I&#39;m not clear on all the details) I&#39;ll try to keep him off of here in the future. Rest assured, he is grounded.</p>
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		<title>By: malercous</title>
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		<dc:creator>malercous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a teaching moment. Time to teach the kids about what it means to go hungry, and perhaps to have done a better job about selecting their parents. Time to cut-out all them free lunches. Give `em a little &quot;free-market&quot; incentive to not be so dependent all the time. Always lookin&#039; for a hand-out, them little heathens are. If them damned bleeding-heart liberals wouldn&#039;t have put an end to child labor sweat-shops, we wouldn&#039;t have this problem.&lt;br&gt;All them &quot;social&quot; programs got us into this mess, so we need to go back to social-Darwinism to make everything right. Let the poor eat them chillen&#039;s they can&#039;t provide for. This is what happens when you take God out of schoolins. &lt;br&gt;If a teacher can teach 1 kid something, he can teach 200 kids the same thing at the same time. Or for that matter, all of them. Should only need 1 teacher per grade, per school.&lt;br&gt;We need to teach them kids what true conservatism is all about, saving $ and fend for yourself cuz society is not all about helping an individual, so get over your self and end the pity-party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a teaching moment. Time to teach the kids about what it means to go hungry, and perhaps to have done a better job about selecting their parents. Time to cut-out all them free lunches. Give `em a little &#8220;free-market&#8221; incentive to not be so dependent all the time. Always lookin&#39; for a hand-out, them little heathens are. If them damned bleeding-heart liberals wouldn&#39;t have put an end to child labor sweat-shops, we wouldn&#39;t have this problem.<br />All them &#8220;social&#8221; programs got us into this mess, so we need to go back to social-Darwinism to make everything right. Let the poor eat them chillen&#39;s they can&#39;t provide for. This is what happens when you take God out of schoolins. <br />If a teacher can teach 1 kid something, he can teach 200 kids the same thing at the same time. Or for that matter, all of them. Should only need 1 teacher per grade, per school.<br />We need to teach them kids what true conservatism is all about, saving $ and fend for yourself cuz society is not all about helping an individual, so get over your self and end the pity-party.</p>
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		<title>By: whiteline</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiteline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a look at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ipsb-s.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.ipsb-s.blogspot.com&lt;/a&gt; under the title &quot;brace yourself for budget cuts&quot; someone has gone through board reports to highlight the money the board has approved for consultants,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look at the <a href="http://www.ipsb-s.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ipsb-s.blogspot.com</a> under the title &#8220;brace yourself for budget cuts&#8221; someone has gone through board reports to highlight the money the board has approved for consultants,</p>
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		<title>By: newbie here</title>
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		<dc:creator>newbie here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in Wisconsin and went to college there, as did numerous relatives and friends.  The state-wide university system there is phenomenal, and more students get a great college education pretty close to home if need be.  Each campus has a unique mission so there is little redundancy.  If you don&#039;t go to the campus in Madison, you go to a smaller campus based on its strengths and your career path.  Indiana really, really missed the boat on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in Wisconsin and went to college there, as did numerous relatives and friends.  The state-wide university system there is phenomenal, and more students get a great college education pretty close to home if need be.  Each campus has a unique mission so there is little redundancy.  If you don&#39;t go to the campus in Madison, you go to a smaller campus based on its strengths and your career path.  Indiana really, really missed the boat on this.</p>
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