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		<title>By: seanshepard</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/10/wednesday_wire-5.html/comment-page-1#comment-30744</link>
		<dc:creator>seanshepard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before there should ever be any discussion of a public option there should first be a massive undertaking to extricate government from the health care industry so that the cost can come down about 50% ... then you can start saying things like ...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Oh, woe is me, health insurance (which covers the cost of health care) is sooooo expensive, please make somebody else pay for mine.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Health Care reform is definitely important, but not the way most people are thinking.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://shepardpolitics.blogspot.com/2009/08/health-care-reform-is-important.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://shepardpolitics.blogspot.com/2009/08/hea...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before there should ever be any discussion of a public option there should first be a massive undertaking to extricate government from the health care industry so that the cost can come down about 50% &#8230; then you can start saying things like &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, woe is me, health insurance (which covers the cost of health care) is sooooo expensive, please make somebody else pay for mine.&#8221;</p>
<p>Health Care reform is definitely important, but not the way most people are thinking.</p>
<p><a href="http://shepardpolitics.blogspot.com/2009/08/health-care-reform-is-important.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://shepardpolitics.blogspot.com/2009/08/hea.." rel="nofollow">http://shepardpolitics.blogspot.com/2009/08/hea..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: seanshepard</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/10/wednesday_wire-5.html/comment-page-1#comment-28506</link>
		<dc:creator>seanshepard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before there should ever be any discussion of a public option there should first be a massive undertaking to extricate government from the health care industry so that the cost can come down about 50% ... then you can start saying things like ...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Oh, woe is me, health insurance (which covers the cost of health care) is sooooo expensive, please make somebody else pay for mine.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Health Care reform is definitely important, but not the way most people are thinking.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://shepardpolitics.blogspot.com/2009/08/health-care-reform-is-important.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://shepardpolitics.blogspot.com/2009/08/hea...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before there should ever be any discussion of a public option there should first be a massive undertaking to extricate government from the health care industry so that the cost can come down about 50% &#8230; then you can start saying things like &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, woe is me, health insurance (which covers the cost of health care) is sooooo expensive, please make somebody else pay for mine.&#8221;</p>
<p>Health Care reform is definitely important, but not the way most people are thinking.</p>
<p><a href="http://shepardpolitics.blogspot.com/2009/08/health-care-reform-is-important.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://shepardpolitics.blogspot.com/2009/08/hea.." rel="nofollow">http://shepardpolitics.blogspot.com/2009/08/hea..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Taxpayer 834512</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taxpayer 834512</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depite numerous votes to spend money we don&#039;t have (along with most of the rest of Congress), I remain pleased that at least Bayh&#039;s  paid lip service to frugality.  A couple of summers ago he probably took a hit for it when a Star letter as he was under VP consideration.  Another piece was in the Wall Street Journal this past Sept.  The paper again ran something on pg 2 a couple of days ago.  At least that&#039;s more attention to the topic than I read from our Republican senator.  &lt;br&gt;.&lt;br&gt;However, there&#039;s also customer service.  Maybe it&#039;s just his machine or staff, but I can NEVER leave a message on his local 554-0750.  I&#039;m sure there are plenty of Hoosiers, whether Josh on one end of the spectrum, or myself, that would like to share our view of the health care bill, on any and every medium available.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m with Josh on health care reform.  I&#039;m opposed to the Public Option because:  1) We can&#039;t afford ANY expanded gov&#039;t spending, certainly not without equal spending cuts up front.  2) We haven&#039;t funded the future obligations of the health care programs we already have.  3) We have to put in better tracking of waste, fraud, abuse, and means testing to maximize the precious dollars already in.  4) The wait increases and research decreases without genuine competition, which shouldn&#039;t happen with gov&#039;t &quot;competition&quot;.  5) The free market HAS to come-up with up front pricing and genuine competition that crosses state lines without gov&#039;t mandates- or it&#039;s no less rigged.  I &quot;recuse&quot; on the tort/mapractice issue for now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depite numerous votes to spend money we don&#39;t have (along with most of the rest of Congress), I remain pleased that at least Bayh&#39;s  paid lip service to frugality.  A couple of summers ago he probably took a hit for it when a Star letter as he was under VP consideration.  Another piece was in the Wall Street Journal this past Sept.  The paper again ran something on pg 2 a couple of days ago.  At least that&#39;s more attention to the topic than I read from our Republican senator.  <br />.<br />However, there&#39;s also customer service.  Maybe it&#39;s just his machine or staff, but I can NEVER leave a message on his local 554-0750.  I&#39;m sure there are plenty of Hoosiers, whether Josh on one end of the spectrum, or myself, that would like to share our view of the health care bill, on any and every medium available.  </p>
<p>I&#39;m with Josh on health care reform.  I&#39;m opposed to the Public Option because:  1) We can&#39;t afford ANY expanded gov&#39;t spending, certainly not without equal spending cuts up front.  2) We haven&#39;t funded the future obligations of the health care programs we already have.  3) We have to put in better tracking of waste, fraud, abuse, and means testing to maximize the precious dollars already in.  4) The wait increases and research decreases without genuine competition, which shouldn&#39;t happen with gov&#39;t &#8220;competition&#8221;.  5) The free market HAS to come-up with up front pricing and genuine competition that crosses state lines without gov&#39;t mandates- or it&#39;s no less rigged.  I &#8220;recuse&#8221; on the tort/mapractice issue for now.</p>
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		<title>By: joshpeters</title>
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		<dc:creator>joshpeters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need a public option, and here is my message for Sen. Bayh:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I was disgusted to hear that you were willing to support a filibuster against the Democratic Health Care Bill because of your opposition to the Public Option. Considering the fact that your wife sits on the board of Wellpoint and your own political contributions from the industry, you can no longer be trusted to represent the people of Indiana. I am looking forward to voting for your Democratic Primary challenger in 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need a public option, and here is my message for Sen. Bayh:</p>
<p>I was disgusted to hear that you were willing to support a filibuster against the Democratic Health Care Bill because of your opposition to the Public Option. Considering the fact that your wife sits on the board of Wellpoint and your own political contributions from the industry, you can no longer be trusted to represent the people of Indiana. I am looking forward to voting for your Democratic Primary challenger in 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: joshpeters</title>
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		<dc:creator>joshpeters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need a public option, and here is my message for Evan Bayh:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I was disgusted to hear that you were willing to support a filibuster against the Democratic Health Care Bill because of your opposition to the Public Option. Considering the fact that your wife sits on the board of Wellpoint and your own political contributions from the industry, you can no longer be trusted to represent the people of Indiana. I am looking forward to voting for your Democratic Primary challenger in 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need a public option, and here is my message for Evan Bayh:</p>
<p>I was disgusted to hear that you were willing to support a filibuster against the Democratic Health Care Bill because of your opposition to the Public Option. Considering the fact that your wife sits on the board of Wellpoint and your own political contributions from the industry, you can no longer be trusted to represent the people of Indiana. I am looking forward to voting for your Democratic Primary challenger in 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: Think Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Think Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why Bayh&#039;s fiscal attitudes are new to anyone, Taxpayer.  As governor he cut budgets, delayed school payments, and did anything possible to spend less.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sometimes, at the cost of programs that badly needed more money, not less.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is not new on his part.  He&#039;s cheap.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I had forgotten about the school superintendent&#039;s raise getting cut back.  That was a triumph of citizen backlash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t know why Bayh&#39;s fiscal attitudes are new to anyone, Taxpayer.  As governor he cut budgets, delayed school payments, and did anything possible to spend less.  </p>
<p>Sometimes, at the cost of programs that badly needed more money, not less.</p>
<p>This is not new on his part.  He&#39;s cheap.</p>
<p>I had forgotten about the school superintendent&#39;s raise getting cut back.  That was a triumph of citizen backlash.</p>
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		<title>By: IndyErnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndyErnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s your point Wilson? Is there something wrong with Abdul and Ballard knowing the same person? Jezz get a life,...quit lurking in the shadows like a ghoul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#39;s your point Wilson? Is there something wrong with Abdul and Ballard knowing the same person? Jezz get a life,&#8230;quit lurking in the shadows like a ghoul.</p>
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		<title>By: Taxpayer 834512</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taxpayer 834512</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this is rendered moot by a more exhaustive entry I posted earlier- I apologize.  I&#039;m not a fan of this Disqus business- or whatever&#039;s been going wrong.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1) TA, I owe you a retort on torts.  I haven&#039;t forgotten.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2) God bless the Indiana Democratic Party on October 28th, 2009.  Within one day, I&#039;m reading of Speaker Bauer espousing ethics reform and Senator Bayh reembracing fiscal frugality and the possiblity of voting against health care &quot;reform&quot;.  For all I know, cats will be mating with dogs in the streets tomorrow, UFOs landing, and planetary crusts sheared across the globe- but for today, they are the party of common sense.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;3)That means, DO NOT GIVE UP!  Weeks ago, MSDWT Superintendent Mervilde was to get a 7% raise and four years bought-out - the people responded and it became a 2% raise.  Months ago people stomped around the statehouse and subsequent rallies, belly-aching about a legislature that wouldn&#039;t pursue Kernan-Shepard, property taxes, redistricting, illegal hiring, township gov&#039;t or ethics reform.  Out of the sky, we (at least preliminarily) have Secretary Rokita pursuing redistricting and Speaker Bauer on ethics reform.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t care what the paper, news, internet, television, or your neighbor says- you keep calling, writing, emailing, calling talk shows, voting, and doing everything to keep our country fiscally intact for our kids and old age.  I suggest start with Senator Bayh.  If he keeps it up, he may influence others:  554-0750, or &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:Senator.Bayh@address-verify.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Senator.Bayh@address-verify.com&lt;/a&gt;, or Senator Evan Bayh, 463 Russell Bldg., United States Senate, Washington D.C.  20510</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this is rendered moot by a more exhaustive entry I posted earlier- I apologize.  I&#39;m not a fan of this Disqus business- or whatever&#39;s been going wrong.  </p>
<p>1) TA, I owe you a retort on torts.  I haven&#39;t forgotten.</p>
<p>2) God bless the Indiana Democratic Party on October 28th, 2009.  Within one day, I&#39;m reading of Speaker Bauer espousing ethics reform and Senator Bayh reembracing fiscal frugality and the possiblity of voting against health care &#8220;reform&#8221;.  For all I know, cats will be mating with dogs in the streets tomorrow, UFOs landing, and planetary crusts sheared across the globe- but for today, they are the party of common sense.  </p>
<p>3)That means, DO NOT GIVE UP!  Weeks ago, MSDWT Superintendent Mervilde was to get a 7% raise and four years bought-out &#8211; the people responded and it became a 2% raise.  Months ago people stomped around the statehouse and subsequent rallies, belly-aching about a legislature that wouldn&#39;t pursue Kernan-Shepard, property taxes, redistricting, illegal hiring, township gov&#39;t or ethics reform.  Out of the sky, we (at least preliminarily) have Secretary Rokita pursuing redistricting and Speaker Bauer on ethics reform.  </p>
<p>I don&#39;t care what the paper, news, internet, television, or your neighbor says- you keep calling, writing, emailing, calling talk shows, voting, and doing everything to keep our country fiscally intact for our kids and old age.  I suggest start with Senator Bayh.  If he keeps it up, he may influence others:  554-0750, or <a href="mailto:Senator.Bayh@address-verify.com" rel="nofollow">Senator.Bayh@address-verify.com</a>, or Senator Evan Bayh, 463 Russell Bldg., United States Senate, Washington D.C.  20510</p>
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		<title>By: wilson46201</title>
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		<dc:creator>wilson46201</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ballard&#039;s country-club political buddy Dave Bego (who got the police car for a month) also seems to be a buddy of Abdul&#039;s. Remember this? &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/10/the_devil_at_his_doorstep.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/1...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ballard&#39;s country-club political buddy Dave Bego (who got the police car for a month) also seems to be a buddy of Abdul&#39;s. Remember this? <a href="http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/10/the_devil_at_his_doorstep.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/1.." rel="nofollow">http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/1..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Stone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The small turnout is exactly what&#039;ll drive proponents of it.  People are less likely to turn out for an anti-vote when it&#039;s not surrounded by a hot-topic wedge issue (IE gay marriage, abortion, immigration...that&#039;s about it).  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The lack of an organization in the anti-referendum in comparison to the PACs, multiple politicians, etc...endorsing and promoting the referendum is why I think the vote will be extremely in favor of Wishard.  As you point out yourself, it has a sentimental value to many.  The people most motivated for this vote will be the employees of Wishard, friends and family of them, and those who personally benefit from it like the construction companies.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If this was held in a regular election, this could be grouped into a more taxes pitch.  But in a special election (where many, in my anecdotal experience, aren&#039;t even aware there&#039;s an election), it&#039;s going to be lopsided to the proponents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The small turnout is exactly what&#39;ll drive proponents of it.  People are less likely to turn out for an anti-vote when it&#39;s not surrounded by a hot-topic wedge issue (IE gay marriage, abortion, immigration&#8230;that&#39;s about it).  </p>
<p>The lack of an organization in the anti-referendum in comparison to the PACs, multiple politicians, etc&#8230;endorsing and promoting the referendum is why I think the vote will be extremely in favor of Wishard.  As you point out yourself, it has a sentimental value to many.  The people most motivated for this vote will be the employees of Wishard, friends and family of them, and those who personally benefit from it like the construction companies.  </p>
<p>If this was held in a regular election, this could be grouped into a more taxes pitch.  But in a special election (where many, in my anecdotal experience, aren&#39;t even aware there&#39;s an election), it&#39;s going to be lopsided to the proponents.</p>
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