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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/10/point_of_clarification.html/comment-page-1#comment-30546</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry folks, the post below under &quot;Jon&quot; is mine.  Mr. Elrod granted permission to post his letter &amp; I failed to put me own name back in the box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry folks, the post below under &#8220;Jon&#8221; is mine.  Mr. Elrod granted permission to post his letter &#038; I failed to put me own name back in the box.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/10/point_of_clarification.html/comment-page-1#comment-30545</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fleecing any taxpayer is disgraceful.  But those dough-nutty hospitals aren&#039;t riding the backs of property taxpayers for their developmental bloat, like those referen-damned by the Wishard development.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Given their excess capacity &amp; &quot;sincere&quot; support for fattening Wishard&#039;s development capacity at the tables of Marion County property owners; did it occur to anyone they take a lead in sharing or cooperating with Wishard on that otherwise fallow capacity, to benefit &quot;others,&quot; or citizens in need also known as taxpayers?  Then again, it&#039;s so easy to forget, that bureaucratic &quot;direction&quot; would predictably indicate, &quot;you can&#039;t get there from here.&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Unfortunately, it appears this isn&#039;t about helping &quot;those in need,&quot; but gorging those in greed.  This seems to be about excessive, expanded government, helping itself to the earnings &amp; equity, of citizens in need, of their own hard earned dollars; devalued tax by tax percentage, marxist bullying (plundering &amp; power tripping), federal &quot;stimu-lust&quot; &amp; counterfeiting by over printing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fleecing any taxpayer is disgraceful.  But those dough-nutty hospitals aren&#39;t riding the backs of property taxpayers for their developmental bloat, like those referen-damned by the Wishard development.</p>
<p>Given their excess capacity &#038; &#8220;sincere&#8221; support for fattening Wishard&#39;s development capacity at the tables of Marion County property owners; did it occur to anyone they take a lead in sharing or cooperating with Wishard on that otherwise fallow capacity, to benefit &#8220;others,&#8221; or citizens in need also known as taxpayers?  Then again, it&#39;s so easy to forget, that bureaucratic &#8220;direction&#8221; would predictably indicate, &#8220;you can&#39;t get there from here.&#8221; </p>
<p>Unfortunately, it appears this isn&#39;t about helping &#8220;those in need,&#8221; but gorging those in greed.  This seems to be about excessive, expanded government, helping itself to the earnings &#038; equity, of citizens in need, of their own hard earned dollars; devalued tax by tax percentage, marxist bullying (plundering &#038; power tripping), federal &#8220;stimu-lust&#8221; &#038; counterfeiting by over printing.</p>
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		<title>By: Think Again</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/10/point_of_clarification.html/comment-page-1#comment-30544</link>
		<dc:creator>Think Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick that is an EXCELLENT point.  Shame on Clarian. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Most of the suburban for-the-wealthy hospitals have occupancy rates at or below 40%.  Building ANY of them was a shameful indictment of government system which allow it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wanna know the rest of that horror story?  Much of the time, those hospitals expand with construction loans guaranteed by a quasi-fed govt. corporation.  Kinda like Fannie Mae for hospitals.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Did they have to prove need for beds?  NO.  They only had to prove good design.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is disgraceful.  None of these new hospitals that are around the city were needed.  Not a damned one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick that is an EXCELLENT point.  Shame on Clarian. </p>
<p>Most of the suburban for-the-wealthy hospitals have occupancy rates at or below 40%.  Building ANY of them was a shameful indictment of government system which allow it.</p>
<p>Wanna know the rest of that horror story?  Much of the time, those hospitals expand with construction loans guaranteed by a quasi-fed govt. corporation.  Kinda like Fannie Mae for hospitals.</p>
<p>Did they have to prove need for beds?  NO.  They only had to prove good design.</p>
<p>It is disgraceful.  None of these new hospitals that are around the city were needed.  Not a damned one.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry folks, the post below under &quot;Jon&quot; is mine.  Mr. Elrod granted permission to post his letter &amp; I failed to put me own name back in the box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry folks, the post below under &#8220;Jon&#8221; is mine.  Mr. Elrod granted permission to post his letter &#038; I failed to put me own name back in the box.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/10/point_of_clarification.html/comment-page-1#comment-28542</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fleecing any taxpayer is disgraceful.  But those dough-nutty hospitals aren&#039;t riding the backs of property taxpayers for their developmental bloat, like those referen-damned by the Wishard development.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Given their excess capacity &amp; &quot;sincere&quot; support for fattening Wishard&#039;s development capacity at the tables of Marion County property owners; did it occur to anyone they take a lead in sharing or cooperating with Wishard on that otherwise fallow capacity, to benefit &quot;others,&quot; or citizens in need also known as taxpayers?  Then again, it&#039;s so easy to forget, that bureaucratic &quot;direction&quot; would predictably indicate, &quot;you can&#039;t get there from here.&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Unfortunately, it appears this isn&#039;t about helping &quot;those in need,&quot; but gorging those in greed.  This seems to be about excessive, expanded government, helping itself to the earnings &amp; equity, of citizens in need, of their own hard earned dollars; devalued tax by tax percentage, marxist bullying (plundering &amp; power tripping), federal &quot;stimu-lust&quot; &amp; counterfeiting by over printing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fleecing any taxpayer is disgraceful.  But those dough-nutty hospitals aren&#39;t riding the backs of property taxpayers for their developmental bloat, like those referen-damned by the Wishard development.</p>
<p>Given their excess capacity &#038; &#8220;sincere&#8221; support for fattening Wishard&#39;s development capacity at the tables of Marion County property owners; did it occur to anyone they take a lead in sharing or cooperating with Wishard on that otherwise fallow capacity, to benefit &#8220;others,&#8221; or citizens in need also known as taxpayers?  Then again, it&#39;s so easy to forget, that bureaucratic &#8220;direction&#8221; would predictably indicate, &#8220;you can&#39;t get there from here.&#8221; </p>
<p>Unfortunately, it appears this isn&#39;t about helping &#8220;those in need,&#8221; but gorging those in greed.  This seems to be about excessive, expanded government, helping itself to the earnings &#038; equity, of citizens in need, of their own hard earned dollars; devalued tax by tax percentage, marxist bullying (plundering &#038; power tripping), federal &#8220;stimu-lust&#8221; &#038; counterfeiting by over printing.</p>
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		<title>By: Think Again</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/10/point_of_clarification.html/comment-page-1#comment-28536</link>
		<dc:creator>Think Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick that is an EXCELLENT point.  Shame on Clarian. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Most of the suburban for-the-wealthy hospitals have occupancy rates at or below 40%.  Building ANY of them was a shameful indictment of government system which allow it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wanna know the rest of that horror story?  Much of the time, those hospitals expand with construction loans guaranteed by a quasi-fed govt. corporation.  Kinda like Fannie Mae for hospitals.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Did they have to prove need for beds?  NO.  They only had to prove good design.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is disgraceful.  None of these new hospitals that are around the city were needed.  Not a damned one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick that is an EXCELLENT point.  Shame on Clarian. </p>
<p>Most of the suburban for-the-wealthy hospitals have occupancy rates at or below 40%.  Building ANY of them was a shameful indictment of government system which allow it.</p>
<p>Wanna know the rest of that horror story?  Much of the time, those hospitals expand with construction loans guaranteed by a quasi-fed govt. corporation.  Kinda like Fannie Mae for hospitals.</p>
<p>Did they have to prove need for beds?  NO.  They only had to prove good design.</p>
<p>It is disgraceful.  None of these new hospitals that are around the city were needed.  Not a damned one.</p>
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		<title>By: Indiana_Barrister</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/10/point_of_clarification.html/comment-page-1#comment-28491</link>
		<dc:creator>Indiana_Barrister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check my twitter feed.  Leaders of Clarian, St. Vincent, St. Francis and Community Health came out in support of Wishard Referendum Friday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check my twitter feed.  Leaders of Clarian, St. Vincent, St. Francis and Community Health came out in support of Wishard Referendum Friday.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just read in the IBJ that Clarian restarts construction on a hospital in Fishers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Guess wealthy, privately insured clients in Fishers, Carmel, Bloomington, Lafayette, &amp; Muncie are more important than needy Medicare and Medicaid clients in downtown Indianapolis to this Non-Profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just read in the IBJ that Clarian restarts construction on a hospital in Fishers.</p>
<p>Guess wealthy, privately insured clients in Fishers, Carmel, Bloomington, Lafayette, &#038; Muncie are more important than needy Medicare and Medicaid clients in downtown Indianapolis to this Non-Profit.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On second thought........... Methodist, St. Vincent&#039;s, Community, St. Francis, IU, Clarian, &amp; Roudebush could back up Wishards &quot;Revenue Bonds&quot; for a new hospital if they think it is so important as a designated &quot;safety net&quot; hospital.  This loan syndication would take property taxpayers out of the loop in guaranteeing Wishards $700 million loan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On second thought&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. Methodist, St. Vincent&#39;s, Community, St. Francis, IU, Clarian, &#038; Roudebush could back up Wishards &#8220;Revenue Bonds&#8221; for a new hospital if they think it is so important as a designated &#8220;safety net&#8221; hospital.  This loan syndication would take property taxpayers out of the loop in guaranteeing Wishards $700 million loan.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Additionally, what ever happened to the desprately needed upgrades IPS schools that didn&#039;t even have air conditioning.  (Covered in the IndyStar the past ten years)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Last I read, the business community that is supporting new $700 million Wishard Hospital and new $750 million Lucas Oil Stadium backed out of the second tranch of financing of several hundred million that was to be directed to IPS building upgrades to match township schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Additionally, what ever happened to the desprately needed upgrades IPS schools that didn&#39;t even have air conditioning.  (Covered in the IndyStar the past ten years)</p>
<p>Last I read, the business community that is supporting new $700 million Wishard Hospital and new $750 million Lucas Oil Stadium backed out of the second tranch of financing of several hundred million that was to be directed to IPS building upgrades to match township schools.</p>
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