Frankly, it seems a waste of effort to protest. Things get rammed down our collective throat whether we agree to swallow or not. And the one time we managed to buck the trend and elect new blood, it turned out to be a remote-controlled zombie robot with the same hands on the joystick.

Like the Mayor, I am way more interested in the goings on over at Animal Control than I am with piddling stuff like the CIB, tax revenue shortfalls, Public Safety, new hospitals and the fiasco of the water company.

John Howard just hit the ball out of the park, Abdul. All kinds of anti-this-and-that folks got together to throw out the last mayor and elect a new one. I didn't vote for Ballard, but I marveled at the populist manner in which he was elected. And I actually held out hope for him that his outsider status would allow him to make substantial progress breaking up the good-ole-boy network.

Boy was I wrong.

Tax protestors come in all stripes. I am one for the right issue. The Wishard Referendum isn't one of them.

My family has used the IU portion of Wishard's facilities over the last decade. It's a hell hole. Fantastic staff and treatment. They're crammed into facilities that are 40-90 years old. Their infection rate is among the nation's highest for urban poor-care hospitals, because some of the oldest facilities are impossible to keep sanitized-clean.

All the while the suburban mega-hospitals are built out of cornfields, half-occupied or less, costing megamillions. Which we pay for.

Displacement of medical sssets is the biggest problem in this health care debate, and no one is talking about it. The poorest among us–Wishard's main clients–shouldn't suffer because of that massive greed and opportunism.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240529702... It just takes some revolutions longer than others to get past the statist lies. The real story here, unexamined, is just why all the king's horses and all the king's men have resorted(according to observers on other blogs) to blatent lying to the public? One can understand the Star, their case of terminal stupidity is obvious. But, others?

Apples and oranges, honestly.

I think the major beef with the Health and Hospital Corp isn't asking for a new Wishard facility, but the secretive way they're handling it. Scheduling it during an off-year (and yes, HHC is “paying” for it, but guess who pays for the HHC? Taxpayers), a vague referendum that doesn't explictly mention building a new facility or methods of paying for it, and how it all got started being shoe-horned into the state budget.

It's semantics and it's ultimately concerning people who want honest government. It's not a good rallying cry for partisan hacks, who, unfortunately, seem to take over the grass-roots protests as rallying cries to push their own biased agendas. It's not something that can be reduced to a soundbite or shouted during a townhall meeting.

There's also the larger part that people notice federal government actions more despite that the feds have the least impact on day to day living. Second they notice is state. But city/county/local government? People don't seem to care too much about it.

I've always wanted to go to some of the tea party protests and ask people who their city council rep is. I bet a good chunk don't know.

As one who stood with signs on streets to protest property taxes etc. and now the marxist takeover of America, we actually are tired of you all for asking why don't we get organized again and where are we. Well, where were YOU?????
Oh, tea party insulters, we know exactly who our council rep is. and I lot more about government than the complainers who do nothing but complain.

That's good. Really. But can you say the same for others? Or when was the last time tea party protestors attended a council meeting, or rallied against corporate welfare for the Eli Lilly or Simon's?

But my point was the reason no one is ever outraged at the corporate welfare done by the City-County Council, at least in comparison to whatever happens in Washington D.C., is because most aren't paying attention.

Good questions. I'm on hiatus writing a book, enjoying my home, and launching a couple new enterprises.

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Every now and then you inquire about where is the revolution or about the children of the revolution, and because you don't see them you pass judgment by writing an obituary in declaring it 'dead'. FYI, the entire summer has been full of activism. Nearly every week since July 4th, there have been rallies and protests. There were 4 rallies in 5 weeks outside Bayh and Lugar's offices on cap & trade and others on the health-care issue. We traveled to Cinn.,Oh to protest Obama-care when he spoke to the AFL-CIO. We travelled to D.C. for that historic event (despite the scant mention of it by the Sunday Star which had a Colts' win splashed as the headline). The national Tea Party Express hit Bloomington,In., then later in South Bend – we were there. 'Hands off my Healthcare' in White River. Protest against GOP chair Steele at the Marriot for being part of the problem. Constitution Day rally in Rossville,In. Valparaiso rally later. This afternoon in Lafayette, a protest against Bill Ayres, bomber of the pentagon and NY police and weathermen underground, speaking at Purdue.
We are alive and well but not omnipresent. Can't cover everything.

There is NO revolution. Just angry fat white males with fanny packs holding poorly written signs depicting the President in some racist picture. It was ok to dump tax payer dollars into Iraq but now it's a different party. I already pay too much in County and State taxes.

There is NO revolution. Just angry fat white males with fanny packs carrying racist signs about the current President. It was ok to dump tax payer dollars into Iraq but now it's different.

I would never say that, Wellput. I just think that a lot of these peoples' passion are incredibly misdirected. The national level of our country, that general direction has been going on for years. So where were these people then?

Wow! A guy runs off and gets married, starts getting three squares a day, and misses (along with his fellow MSM SORTS some millions of folks marching in DC) and proclaims (0n the basis of his very limited observations of little) that the movement has expired. As to these last two posters, they could add that it was borrowed monies dumped into IRAQ, and elsewhere because of a craven Congress which we still have along with another Jimmy Carter loser.

Well, at least they don't show up at council meetings in whiteface and paper hats with “SLAVE” printed on the front of their shirts, making much-too-long, rambling, redundant statements that leave the entire body collectively thinking, 'WTF was that?'

At least Larry is not a thief! That's more than I can say for most of the council!

The unfortunate truth is we're doing it part-time if we're trying to hold a job. I've been to eight rallies/protests since March, but we have to fit it in now- or it may become a more dire full-time occupation later.

The hosptial is a tough, upstream issue. You're a hater starting out. Even, if there's an immaculate case that could be made for the hospital on merit- you're some sort of nutcase for pointing out lack of financial disclosure, murky investments, poor referedum wording, statehouse sleight of hand, and an economy a long, long way from robust. But, Hey. Compassion is fiscally limitless, right? I hope so.
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I'd have to agree it topped David Copperfield to have around a million people in Washington D.C. pretty much vanish from mass media coverage. I would think it would be looked upon with approval that one of the uncivil rabble is actually trying to pursue membership in the club. Successful or not, starting on “ground game” means somebody has to run. Maybe better candidates come with further embracing of the likes of Van Jones and a few more U.N. pep talks. But,Hey- Ballard had no chance and Hillary was going to kick Obama's tail.
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They say to be grateful to live in interesting times.

The US government just announced that the G-20 will be the head group co-ordinating the US economy. We've just rolled over without announcement or a fight. There is no revolution. Most people who claim to care will dismiss it as though it is nothing while they watch the Constitutional control of our nation get handed over to an international body.

If people spent half the time that Larry Vaughn does paying attention to the issues and going to council meetings, this city would be far better off.

Y'all may remember John Belushi saying something like “It's not over until we say it's over.”

Same answer to, “Why do you rob banks?”: Because that's where the money is.

I'm not lacking in caring that my beloved township voted themselves a 60%+ raise (while we were in the room with them, while not being permitted to speak), or my school district wants to spend millions we don't have and were just turned-back from pursuing a huge raise for the superintendent, or that Ryan Vaughn (there's your name) won't recuse himself and we're saddled (sad pun) with the wonderful Colt's contract and library rennovation, or our lovely assembly's preoccupation with making sure they can stop serving the rabble and land nicely on their feet at a real job as a lobbyist.
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I can move out of the school district, township, city, county, and state. I'd rather not move away from my country. I'd rather pass down that consideration to my kids because we never, ever could stop spending money we didn't have.

Still can't type: I'd rather NOT pass down that consideration…

There is an old bit of wisdom about why the lion tamer uses a three legged stool. The lion sees the three different legs and as a result fails to see one thing it can focus on. While it's perhaps a silly notion, I think that is how a lot of people feel right now… where do you even start?

There is a need for such a severe retraction from our current levels of government, government spending and intrusion in our lives and wallets that the task seems insurmountable.

AND, with so many protests, meetings, groups, organizations, issues, etc. people are just “meetinged out”. Between City Council meetings, committee meetings, protest events, political party 'club meetings', MeetUp groups and now coming up on campaign season again … for those of us that aren't involved in politics to be professional panhandlers, pick pockets or masters of all we survey and only want good, honest, government that doesn't try to dictate every aspect of our lives … well, you have to pick your spots – especially since there is no money in it for those folks and many times a conscious decision has to be made to do something political related or go make a buck to stay fed.

The 'professional political class', of course, gets to make their bucks continuing the advance of their rule over our lives and wallets. Always remember that, “those who desire to rule over us the most, are those you should least let do so.”

LMAO…when you get Jimmy Carter, a “million” DC protestors, craven COngress and expired movements in one paragraph…nice going pascal!

A nice break from reality.

Back her ein the real world, Sena has an excellent point. Unless you get paid to go to all these meetings and rallies, many of us have to resort to news outlets, blogs, discussions with rational human beings, libraries and (gasp) the internets, to gain our knowledge. Those of us who operate in that manner, then have to sift and evaluate that information, because much of it comes form one perspective or another.

I like to look all around the news spectrum, and I learn something from almost all of it.

I attend some rallies. Proudly attended one at North Central High School yesterday with my son and two of his friends. It was about ignorance and intolerance. I was busy researching data on the city's budget, but I made the time. And it was worth it.

Even if I had to work until 9 PM to make up for the lost time.

We all make our choices.

I understand what you're saying, but I've always been taught that all politics are local. The stuff people care about the most is what happens in their day-to-day lives.

Mail gets screwed up? Fed problem. But trash collection, schools, sales tax, county hospitals, road maintenance, sewers, and so much more are all done by local or state. The best examples of out of control spending, I believe, are right here in this county. Even better, you can bring your son to these meetings and view the places yourself of where this money is being spent.

LET’S ALL FOCUS:

My name is Carl Moldthan, Director of the Indianapolis Taxpayers Association and during the past two months I have looked at HHC’s budget, the CAFR’s for the past five years, their tax stream, the Special Funds they receive from Medicaid, the nursing homes they own and virtually everything anyone can think of. The truth is as I will explain:

Wishard owns 37 nursing homes which they receive approximately $17 million a year in revenues from. They also receive, as of 2008 $51 million from Medicaid’s special funds called Upper Payments Limits (UPL). These UPL funds make up the gap between Medicaid and Medicare for nursing home residents. As an example, a normal Indiana nursing home receives approximately $3,400 to $3,900 per month, per patient. However, HHC receives on average approximately $8,200 per patient, per month. These extra funds give HHC an advantage over other nursing homes because they can do improvements and repairs that other nursing homes cannot afford. This is one reason why HHC should NOT own nursing homes.

It is these extra UPL monies that are supposedly going to pay for the Bond Issue. In the real world these funds could be considered or identified as revenues. However, because they CANNOT guarantee these funds HHC must back these bond issues with General Obligation Bonds, thus the referendum. It makes no difference who is going to lease this or that building to or from whom. I can assure you that this has been planned for 7 years and HHC is not going to allow a mistake to take them down. The only method of bring them down is stopping the bond issue.

There are several things that can bring this bond issue to the point where we have to pay for it but the main two are:

1. Voters stop the BOND ISSUE.

2. If enough nursing homes in other cities complain to their respective Congressman, US Senator, State Senator or Representative there will be a huge hue and cry to close the loophole that allows HHC to own these nursing homes that is assuming that it is legal in the first place. This would cut their stream of UPL money thereby ending the revenue stream and starting a huge property tax increase on all of us. The sad thing is that this tax may NOT BE INCLUDED in the Property Tax Cap by the time we have to start paying for it. The cost to an average taxpayer who owned a house valued at $150,000 would be an extra $175 per year. “Do you feel lucky, well do ya taxpayer?”

3. The Medicaid money received for these nursing homes could be shut off tomorrow without notice by Medicaid. This type of Medicaid has been under investigation by the GAO and Congress for the past 8 years. The reason for the problems is the fact that so much money can be obtained and UPL money amounts are uncontrollable. Congress has referred to UPL as a SCAM. When it involves this type of money one has to ask the important “What If” questions. What if 10 other communities learn about the EASY method of building a new hospital and instead of $42 million per year (BOND COST PER YEAR) Medicaid is paying out $420 million a year? Medicaid would put a stop to this immediately and again the Taxpayers of Marion County would have to pay.

There are several other things that can happen but these two are the most probably. I like to think back to 1983 when then Mayor Hudnut promised that the 2% Food and Beverage tax would disappear after the $75 million Dome was paid for. Now, 25 years later we still owe $69 million on the Dome which if you’ve looked lately isn’t there, and the Food and Beverage tax is at 7%.

“Well, do you feel lucky, well do ya taxpayer?”

We all need to focus on one thing and that is beating the bond issue. The who, what or where doesn’t matter, the ONLY thing that matters is stopping the BOND ISSUE. If you have any question you can reach me at carlfire@sbcglobal.net.
Thank you for your time.

Carl

Big pix- we're talking about which part of the house fire to tackle first. I'm glad you, I, and anybody cares and sees that the house, i.e. our political system, is afire. We've got one, sometimes both kids that have been to the statehouse, White River Park, Bloomington, and in the City Council assembly room “where this money is being spent.”
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My contention is that our relatively prolonged affluence brought us lethargy, which brought us bipartisan corruption. I submit that the notion that “all politics are local” is a luxury based on a relatively stable national front: secure borders and a stable economy with reasonable indebtedness. Would you or Tip O'Neil agree that we now have that?
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I'm concerned about all government corruption, but perceive the most important to be Federal. I'm most concerned about maintaining free markets instead of nationalization, domestic security instead of democratizing the Middle East, and closer Constitutional adherence instead of losing ground to “battling terrorism” and judicial activism. I'm guilty of learning the Middle East and terrorism lessons the hard way.
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We want it all, but I'm more worried about losing more towers, freedoms, and the ability to buy anything with devalued currency than state and lesser services. I wish pursuing this stuff could be a full-time or at least a paid postion, but that's why we have to vote responsibly.
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At the present rate of irresponsible voting, our downward economic spiral is assured as consumers will dwarf producers. Bickering about what degree of relative “socialism” and who caused it will become a moot point.
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Economics doesn't give a damn about either party, or if our border security has as many holes as our streets.

Carl, you're going to go down in flames on this one…again. Once more, you're showing that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

The nursing homes Wishard owns were danger of closing, and mostly providing end-of-life care for poor seniors. The revenue they receive is less than what they spend…the saga of poor-care nursing homes. The “type of Medicaid they receive” has been under investigation for over 20 years. There are permanent audit teams within HHS and the US Attorneys' offices, in conjunction with state authorities, who watch for fraud and abuse. Tey receive complaints and tips from friends and families of patients–24/7/365, and they're all investigated. There isn't much room in these nursing homes for skimming…we don't have many “county homes for the aged” any more–these nursing homes have stepped in and taken up that slack.

We don't want the feds to change the rules for HHC owning nursing homes. If the Millers Merry Manors of the world owned these nursing homes again, as they once did…complaints and abuse and skimming were rampant.

And here in Indiana, for over a decade, guess who chaired the State Senate Committee that oversaw Indiana nursing home regs? Dick Miller, owner of 30 or so nursing homes. No conflict there (with many thanks to former Senate President Pro Tempore Garton).

Carl, we don't owe $75 on a dome that isn't there…we owe ten times that on a stadium that IS there.

(Sigh) Some things never change….different decade, different whine, same whiner.

Now living with a complete flip of the former 60-some percent Defense spending to 20-some percent entitlements from the 1960's – what would we like to reduce subsidizing to avoid default?
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Expecting “universal” responsibility, self-reliance, and civic participation seem out of bounds. Abandon the defense department? Tax the rich until they finally leave the country? If we were still as relatively competitive as generation ago, with the same level of debt and deficit- maybe we could get away with that for awhile.
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But, Now? Tell me the fiscal path out of here short of bipartisan, cross-demographic sacrifice- with or without our President leading us. I don't want any nursing home, hospital, school, disabled person, child, senior, or woman to suffer. I want the clocks to always be on time and the cars to never run into each other as well.
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I don't know how to do all that. I don't know how we're to pay for all this stuff- Democrat, Republican or Libertarian, Capitalist, Socialist or Marxist, Christian, Jew, Islam, Hindu, or Buddist, Black, Brown, White, or Yellow. If it makes me a hater or racist to abandon, “Why?”, and just move on to, “Ok, How?”- than I'm a full-fledged hater and racist.
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Somebody help my hazy recollection, was it Socrates (profuse apologies to Socrates) that they poisoned because, basically, he asked too many annoying questions? That means we should stop? “Damn the cost of health care, full speed ahead” should be an example? “Shut up and drink the Kool-Aid.”?

Advance Indiana (http://www.advanceindiana.blogspot.com) is reporting this Wishard project as a property tax increase…

“The revenue they receive is less than what they spend…”Per Think again.

Exactly, that is why it is a lie for them to tell the taxpayers it will not cost them- stating that in the referendum to boot.

To Think Again:
Having been involved with nursing homes for over 15 years I have to say your knowledge is faulty to say the least. Some of these nursing homes were some of the best in the State. The reason I know this is the fact that HHC hired the past owners to manage them for HHC that is unless American Senior Communities is not a top notch company. I have seen and studied the financials for these nursing homes and they have been doing very well. For 2009 from January to June these nursing homes have made a profit of $5 million and paid out over $7.2 million in management fees to ASC. Furthermore, HHC has paid over $17 million for leases for June 30, 2009. Most of that $17 million has gone back to the Jacksons who own several of the buildings. It is hard to believe that the Jackson Brothers who own ASC could be accused of running bad nursing homes.

One question, if this is such a great deal why does HHC or the Jackson have a put (buy out) in their contract. If HHC can’t get this deal through HHC can sell the nursing homes back to ASC but HHC has to pay a $4 million fine if it is done before 2012, if done after 2012 the fine is $7 million. One other thing, at least I have the courage to identify myself. Trying to hide from something? Maybe you should just think, period? I thought all of you Kool Aid Drinkers had left the building.

SO now you're “involved with nursing homes” Carl? In what capacity?

It is common practice for selling owners to hold on to managment for a transition period.

Please name two nursing homes that are still under the same management after HHC took them over.

I'll wait right over——————–here. Forever.

As for HHC's nursing homes taking in less than they spend from Medicaid—that's the way nursing homes work, Carl, and if you were truly involved, you'd know that. There are still a decent number of private pays in those nursing homes…enough to make up a difference.

School up and get back to us.

FYI: This Monday (9/28) on Abdul In The Morning Show (WXNT, AM 1430), the Indianapolis Taxpayers Association will present organized opposition to Wishard Hospital & Indiana University's proposed property tax increase.

Abdul, you walked right into that one. You weren't here during some of Carl's past protests. A real credibility gap.

Carl–just how big is the ITA? Up to six members yet?

Think again-I have read you on this blog- You seem to make your comments to other posters very personal with rather a nasty kind of tone rather than stating what you know or think you know, you always throw in the jab. Well, I have noted over the years Carl has been very thorough in his protests and is armed with real facts and figures obtained and in writing. At least he is willing to step up and question just what is going on with research on the facts and numbers. Actually, I think again that you should knock it off.

I find it hard anything he says seriously. There's not much of a point made in his ramblings other than he's mad about some vague 'slave labor' situation that he never quite gets around to detailing out the how's, why's or what to do about's.

He did his schtick on WIBC Saturday AM and the host seemed to just gave up on a dialog because they finally just cut to a commercial after a few minutes and moved on.

He may be paying a lot of attention but I'm not convinced he's getting a return on his investment.

Carl,

Are those the same CAFR's that Gary Welsh claims HHC won't release because they must have something to hide?

Looks like you CAVE (Citizens Against Virtually Everything) men should get your stories straight.

Riverwalk Village – Noblesville
North Capital – Indianapolis
American Village – Indianapolis
Rosewalk Village – Indianapolis

Would you like me to keep going TA? Can you name the ones they took over from Millers? I will be waiting? A majority of the buidlings were run by ASC at the time and still are. Some of the others were run by others that ASC has done a good job of running since the deal no doubt. This has been a good deal for HHC and ASC and it is expanding as we speak. I would say the IGT is pretty safe for now at least. And HHC really has little to do with any of these buildings other then the paperwork to make the IGT work.

Streetfighter–I support a through review of tax issues. Very thorough. Carl's post here was anything but. If he has a decent review that shows things not yet known, fine.

I have watched, very closely, Carl Moldthan's actions over the last many years. He is selectively thorough, at best. And when anyone claims to have a group behind them, I want to know how deep and wide the group is.

In the case of the ITA, it's typically about 1/16″ thick. Which gives it just a smidge of credibility, if that.

Government is morbidly proportioned in breadth & width, impaired, burdened by the pound, in its narrowing, lipid layered, myopic squint; shedding credibility at the rate of its gluttonous “gain.” Credibility is qualitative; not a measure of quantity or thickness.

We all remember the “need” for a new convention center (the built last but not least in terms of revenue priority or “driver”) and “gotta have” stadium. This stuff isn't working out so great for taxpayers, driven by poor policy makers to become citizens of other places.

I will listen to what Carl has to say. My stance is that Wishard lost me when they decided to lie, saying no cost to taxpayers via the property tax plus to be paid above the cap and going so far in the referendum statement they issued, which is to come, to ignore any reference to the fact. In addition, putting it out in an off election, to enhance their manipulations and omissions to get their way.
When their statments and referendum states: This will cost property tax payers 703,000 million which will be paid for above the property tax cap via your property taxes, I will reverse my condemnation of them. They were caught in this lie so now they have to backtrack. Real trustworthy bunch.
Thank you Carl for putting that fact out there for those who work to pay the taxes and are too busy to ferret out these facts which are not published. The paper put out a statement in support rather than issue an article that showed in black and white just what the cost will be and the effect on your tax bill.
Have you all forgotten the 700 million in bonds which we will start paying on for IPS above the cap- along with this if passed.
You know, blingers, in case you haven't noticed Marion county property tax payers are tapped out.
Sometimes, it is nice to have chocolate and but better to eat your vegetables.

So, Wishard is lying now, huh?

Geeeeesh. SOmetimes there's no winning with some folks.

Undeniable truths in life, Abdul Blog Version I:

Carl is mostly wrong.
ITA is four people at his kitchen table, and has little credibility–again.
Wishard deserves the bond issue, and they'll win 55-45 or more.

See how easy it is to have our own truths? Type it on a blog and ***poof*** there it is.

PER (Think Again 49 minutes ago
So, Wishard is lying now, huh?)

Wishard said when putting this plan out that there would be no cost to the taxpayers- it appeared numerous times in print and only lately did it come out with the truth, reported from a blog I might add. Thank you blogs.
Re ITA -it may be inactive until something comes up but at least Carl goes out to speak up for the taxpayers that agree with him-on his own dime and time.
More than some can say —quote: type it on a blog and Poof there it is>unquote- a reply from the self described resident expert while the rest of us mere mortals pale whenever we make an opinion.

You know a source is lost when they start using Carl Moldthan as a source or try to promote him as an expert.

It's Carl again:

For Think Again (That’s a laugh, using the word Think) and Fact Checker (You wouldn’t know a fact if it hit you in the face.) You know some people have real thoughts and blogs without the nasty vitriol garbage that these two put out. I for one will not respond to anything they write again and I would advise you all to do the same. They are not worth responding to. Thanks to those who appreciate long hours of studying this stuff, I appreciate it.

Thank You

Carl

Four or fifty folks seated around someone's table, does not make a case for or against credibility; a matter of qualitative measure.

I am white and angry. I am a tad fat- just a tad. My poorly crafted signs have no racial reference to our President. They do display disagreement with his stance on spending and health care. I salute his withdrawl from Iraq. I too pay too much in taxes, but we will have to pay more to have a country to hand to our kids. If there's to be a revolution, it will have to be against the bipartisan fantasy that anything and everything can be purchased from limited taxpayer funding.
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Can we agree on that much, Headhunter?

I listened to Moldthan this morning, and he was clear, concise, and loaded with facts. Actually, Abdul there wasn't much you could say to counter his statements. So I guess it all boils down to :. a bond issue via referendum stated as not being necessary to build the facility yet, they refuse to use other methods to do it (Forget “it's the law” bunk) or the taxpayes saying no to using their homes as collateral via over the cap property tax. I think it is hypocritical of them to not think of the taxpayer. Many of them running that show don't even live in Marion County, do they?
So question is taxpayer, do you really believe them, that in a few years they will not come calling? By then you will be paying IPS over the cap, do you really want to chance the addition of another billion on your back???
Just say no, they will build the new hospital with the funds they say they have to do it.

I listened to Moldthan this morning, and he was clear, concise, and loaded with facts. Actually, Abdul there wasn't much you could say to counter his statements. So I guess it all boils down to :. a bond issue via referendum stated as not being necessary to build the facility yet, they refuse to use other methods to do it (Forget “it's the law” bunk) or the taxpayes saying no to using their homes as collateral via over the cap property tax. I think it is hypocritical of them to not think of the taxpayer. Many of them running that show don't even live in Marion County, do they?
So question is taxpayer, do you really believe them, that in a few years they will not come calling? By then you will be paying IPS over the cap, do you really want to chance the addition of another billion on your back???
Just say no, they will build the new hospital with the funds they say they have to do it.