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		<title>By: Think Again</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/09/township_talk-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-30614</link>
		<dc:creator>Think Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pray tell how, Shorebreak, history is repeating itself.  With the exception of wholesale school consolidation from 1966-71, there is no history whatsoever of Indiana governmental units down-sizing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And there is no history of the property tax system reinventing itself, either.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But it doesn&#039;t take evidence to understand that our township system is antiquate,d at best.  (This is where Wilson inserts the line that townships only cost ____cents per $100 of AV).  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(And whatever that figure is, it&#039;s five times too much)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Shore, this isn&#039;t about government top-down.  It&#039;s about the lowest level of government trolling along like it did in 1840.  But it&#039;s not  1840.  We don&#039;t need township government.  In every Indiana county, there are locally-elected officials &quot;close to the people&quot; whose offices could take over most of these services.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Townships will go away.  Hoarding money, like they are in Washington Township, will not fly ultimately. THey&#039;re hoarding it to dole out to friendly projects and causes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And that nutcase in Wayne needs defeated in the May primary.  My sense is, that will happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pray tell how, Shorebreak, history is repeating itself.  With the exception of wholesale school consolidation from 1966-71, there is no history whatsoever of Indiana governmental units down-sizing.</p>
<p>And there is no history of the property tax system reinventing itself, either.</p>
<p>But it doesn&#39;t take evidence to understand that our township system is antiquate,d at best.  (This is where Wilson inserts the line that townships only cost ____cents per $100 of AV).  </p>
<p>(And whatever that figure is, it&#39;s five times too much)</p>
<p>Shore, this isn&#39;t about government top-down.  It&#39;s about the lowest level of government trolling along like it did in 1840.  But it&#39;s not  1840.  We don&#39;t need township government.  In every Indiana county, there are locally-elected officials &#8220;close to the people&#8221; whose offices could take over most of these services.</p>
<p>Townships will go away.  Hoarding money, like they are in Washington Township, will not fly ultimately. THey&#39;re hoarding it to dole out to friendly projects and causes.</p>
<p>And that nutcase in Wayne needs defeated in the May primary.  My sense is, that will happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Shorebreak</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/09/township_talk-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-30613</link>
		<dc:creator>Shorebreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 21:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve said it many times: Tax caps with no plan or funding mechanism in place to maintain municipal services = agenda. The increasingly failed attempts to concentrate our government into a top-down system (as opposed to local governments with local people in control) drove a solution that was contrived at the top. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It started by the Governor changing tax laws and throwing municipalities into a frenzy that included misunderstandings and dramatically increased tax rates for property owners, who became angry (as expected). Along came the same Administration to help by offering tax caps as a solution to the problem that they had caused - and all of the folks who were so upset were suddenly so happy. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Strangely enough, there was also a new media focus that began nitpicking at local governments (often with excellent reason). But the vocal media critics were not only exposing injustices in municipal governments, they were consistently framing those injustices with costs and with a need to consolidate. How fortunate for the Governor.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So what ends up happening? The people are stirred up into disliking the fact that they have an opportunity for local representation. The people are convinced that as a result of lower tax revenue and local mismanagement, consolidation of power is healthy and good. And ultimately, the long-planned strategy to remove our local voices and dismantle our system of local representation is successful.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If nothing else, this is certain evidence revealing that history repeats itself, and that these who do not understand history are doomed to repeat it. Good luck as we move forward, folks. Once this system is in place, we&#039;re all going to need it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve said it many times: Tax caps with no plan or funding mechanism in place to maintain municipal services = agenda. The increasingly failed attempts to concentrate our government into a top-down system (as opposed to local governments with local people in control) drove a solution that was contrived at the top. </p>
<p>It started by the Governor changing tax laws and throwing municipalities into a frenzy that included misunderstandings and dramatically increased tax rates for property owners, who became angry (as expected). Along came the same Administration to help by offering tax caps as a solution to the problem that they had caused &#8211; and all of the folks who were so upset were suddenly so happy. </p>
<p>Strangely enough, there was also a new media focus that began nitpicking at local governments (often with excellent reason). But the vocal media critics were not only exposing injustices in municipal governments, they were consistently framing those injustices with costs and with a need to consolidate. How fortunate for the Governor.</p>
<p>So what ends up happening? The people are stirred up into disliking the fact that they have an opportunity for local representation. The people are convinced that as a result of lower tax revenue and local mismanagement, consolidation of power is healthy and good. And ultimately, the long-planned strategy to remove our local voices and dismantle our system of local representation is successful.</p>
<p>If nothing else, this is certain evidence revealing that history repeats itself, and that these who do not understand history are doomed to repeat it. Good luck as we move forward, folks. Once this system is in place, we&#39;re all going to need it.</p>
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		<title>By: ?</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/09/township_talk-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-30612</link>
		<dc:creator>?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone else heard rumors about money missing from a certain township&#039;s bank account?  I don&#039;t want to mention which one, but you could ask &#039;Larry&#039;....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone else heard rumors about money missing from a certain township&#39;s bank account?  I don&#39;t want to mention which one, but you could ask &#39;Larry&#39;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: BigDawg</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/09/township_talk-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-30611</link>
		<dc:creator>BigDawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, have to go look at some numbers and figure out when Carmel surpassed a couple other cities in Indiana to become large.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, have to go look at some numbers and figure out when Carmel surpassed a couple other cities in Indiana to become large.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/09/township_talk-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-30610</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Missing the numbers&quot; is not without pattern:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2343178/posts&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2343178/posts&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Missing the numbers&#8221; is not without pattern:  <a href="http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2343178/posts" rel="nofollow">http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2343178/posts</a></p>
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		<title>By: Think Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Think Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pray tell how, Shorebreak, history is repeating itself.  With the exception of wholesale school consolidation from 1966-71, there is no history whatsoever of Indiana governmental units down-sizing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And there is no history of the property tax system reinventing itself, either.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But it doesn&#039;t take evidence to understand that our township system is antiquate,d at best.  (This is where Wilson inserts the line that townships only cost ____cents per $100 of AV).  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(And whatever that figure is, it&#039;s five times too much)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Shore, this isn&#039;t about government top-down.  It&#039;s about the lowest level of government trolling along like it did in 1840.  But it&#039;s not  1840.  We don&#039;t need township government.  In every Indiana county, there are locally-elected officials &quot;close to the people&quot; whose offices could take over most of these services.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Townships will go away.  Hoarding money, like they are in Washington Township, will not fly ultimately. THey&#039;re hoarding it to dole out to friendly projects and causes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And that nutcase in Wayne needs defeated in the May primary.  My sense is, that will happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pray tell how, Shorebreak, history is repeating itself.  With the exception of wholesale school consolidation from 1966-71, there is no history whatsoever of Indiana governmental units down-sizing.</p>
<p>And there is no history of the property tax system reinventing itself, either.</p>
<p>But it doesn&#39;t take evidence to understand that our township system is antiquate,d at best.  (This is where Wilson inserts the line that townships only cost ____cents per $100 of AV).  </p>
<p>(And whatever that figure is, it&#39;s five times too much)</p>
<p>Shore, this isn&#39;t about government top-down.  It&#39;s about the lowest level of government trolling along like it did in 1840.  But it&#39;s not  1840.  We don&#39;t need township government.  In every Indiana county, there are locally-elected officials &#8220;close to the people&#8221; whose offices could take over most of these services.</p>
<p>Townships will go away.  Hoarding money, like they are in Washington Township, will not fly ultimately. THey&#39;re hoarding it to dole out to friendly projects and causes.</p>
<p>And that nutcase in Wayne needs defeated in the May primary.  My sense is, that will happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Shorebreak</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/09/township_talk-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-27107</link>
		<dc:creator>Shorebreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 16:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve said it many times: Tax caps with no plan or funding mechanism in place to maintain municipal services = agenda. The increasingly failed attempts to concentrate our government into a top-down system (as opposed to local governments with local people in control) drove a solution that was contrived at the top. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It started by the Governor changing tax laws and throwing municipalities into a frenzy that included misunderstandings and dramatically increased tax rates for property owners, who became angry (as expected). Along came the same Administration to help by offering tax caps as a solution to the problem that they had caused - and all of the folks who were so upset were suddenly so happy. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Strangely enough, there was also a new media focus that began nitpicking at local governments (often with excellent reason). But the vocal media critics were not only exposing injustices in municipal governments, they were consistently framing those injustices with costs and with a need to consolidate. How fortunate for the Governor.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So what ends up happening? The people are stirred up into disliking the fact that they have an opportunity for local representation. The people are convinced that as a result of lower tax revenue and local mismanagement, consolidation of power is healthy and good. And ultimately, the long-planned strategy to remove our local voices and dismantle our system of local representation is successful.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If nothing else, this is certain evidence revealing that history repeats itself, and that these who do not understand history are doomed to repeat it. Good luck as we move forward, folks. Once this system is in place, we&#039;re all going to need it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve said it many times: Tax caps with no plan or funding mechanism in place to maintain municipal services = agenda. The increasingly failed attempts to concentrate our government into a top-down system (as opposed to local governments with local people in control) drove a solution that was contrived at the top. </p>
<p>It started by the Governor changing tax laws and throwing municipalities into a frenzy that included misunderstandings and dramatically increased tax rates for property owners, who became angry (as expected). Along came the same Administration to help by offering tax caps as a solution to the problem that they had caused &#8211; and all of the folks who were so upset were suddenly so happy. </p>
<p>Strangely enough, there was also a new media focus that began nitpicking at local governments (often with excellent reason). But the vocal media critics were not only exposing injustices in municipal governments, they were consistently framing those injustices with costs and with a need to consolidate. How fortunate for the Governor.</p>
<p>So what ends up happening? The people are stirred up into disliking the fact that they have an opportunity for local representation. The people are convinced that as a result of lower tax revenue and local mismanagement, consolidation of power is healthy and good. And ultimately, the long-planned strategy to remove our local voices and dismantle our system of local representation is successful.</p>
<p>If nothing else, this is certain evidence revealing that history repeats itself, and that these who do not understand history are doomed to repeat it. Good luck as we move forward, folks. Once this system is in place, we&#39;re all going to need it.</p>
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		<title>By: ?</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/09/township_talk-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-27106</link>
		<dc:creator>?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone else heard rumors about money missing from a certain township&#039;s bank account?  I don&#039;t want to mention which one, but you could ask &#039;Larry&#039;....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone else heard rumors about money missing from a certain township&#39;s bank account?  I don&#39;t want to mention which one, but you could ask &#39;Larry&#39;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: BigDawg</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/09/township_talk-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-27105</link>
		<dc:creator>BigDawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 14:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, have to go look at some numbers and figure out when Carmel surpassed a couple other cities in Indiana to become large.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, have to go look at some numbers and figure out when Carmel surpassed a couple other cities in Indiana to become large.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/09/township_talk-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-27100</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Missing the numbers&quot; is not without pattern:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2343178/posts&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2343178/posts&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Missing the numbers&#8221; is not without pattern:  <a href="http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2343178/posts" rel="nofollow">http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2343178/posts</a></p>
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