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Ballard 2.0?

There’s been quite a bit of speculation about the future of incumbent Mayor Greg Ballard.  Although the Mayor still has 2 and 1/2 years left in his term, Democrats are already speculating about who will be their standard bearer.  Not a day goes by when some blogger isn’t commenting about counting the days until Ballard leaves.  Even Republican-leaning bloggers spend more time talking about how the Mayor won’t be re-elected.

However, while all these folks may engage in typical speculation, the data tends to show something else.  Ballard has already told me that he and his team are gearing up for a second run.  And my very reliable sources are telling some polling has been done regarding the Mayor and his performance.    I have not seen the the poll directly, but through compiling data from multiple sources over the past month, I’ve  learned it does meet the criteria for standard, effective data gathering.  It also showed the following.

  • His personal approval ratings are similar to former Mayor Bart Peterson prior to the property tax revolt of 2007  but if the election were held today, Ballard would likely only win by the same margin as last time.
  • The mayor does very well on the issue crime, and nearly as well on taxes.
  • On leadership, he gets strong approval from Republicans, moderate Democrats and Independents tend to split and liberal Democrats give him his lowest approval numbers.
  • He gets strong marks from about a third of the African-American population.
  • Jobs and the economy are the biggest issue.
  • On the CIB, most voters think the matter should be addressed because of the importance of protecting jobs,  however they are more supportive of a hotel tax than they are a ticket tax to solve the funding issue.
  • Most voters see him as competent and a good man, but he doesn’t connect emotionally with them.

From what I can extrapolate from this data is following.   The Mayor has wide support, but it’s not deep.   In the minds of most voters, Ballard is doing okay, but one or two serious missteps and he loses a strong Democratic challenger.

If he can quietly deal with the CIB issue and focus more on publicly on the bricks and mortar issues of streets, crime, schools and jobs he should be able cement enough goodwill for a second term.  The administration has already put together one balanced budget and returned money to the taxpayers, and approved several new charter schools  so that puts them in the right direction.  And most of the issues commented on the blogosphere really don’t resonate much outside the political class.

However,  Ballard  will have to work harder to make that emotional connection with voters.  I fondly call it “the barstool” test.  He should present himself not only as someone who can get things done, but also someone the voter wants to sit and have a beer with.    Ballard’s greatest strength is also his greatest weakness; he is not a politician.  However the Mayor may want to become just enough of one to beat back a strong Democratic challenger and win a second term.

  • pogden297

    Wow, an incumbent's own polling shows he is a strong candidate for a second term. Has an incumbent ever done a poll saying he's unpopular?

    Ballard would be lucky to survive a Republican primary and probably would only be able to do so because of the money he could shake down from contractors wanting to do business for the city. As far as beating a Democrat in a general election, he'd be lucky to pull 40%.

    People are lined up to run against Ballard exactly because he is so unpopular.

  • Think Again

    Pogden i absolutely right. Remember these hallmarks, Abdul:

    This is still a Democratic county. The baseline there is about 55.5%. Unless Dems sit on their hands, or feud, they'll win in 2011.

    Anyone who thinks this mayor can improve his standing, by pulling a “Hillary-drinking-shots” thing, is misguided in Marion County politics.

    Greg and Winnie had best not get used to the trappings of power. He had some tremendous momentum, but it's mostly gone. And his rant about returning taxes to taxpayers is on paper only. It's a quarter inch thick and a mile wide. In the empty-suit category, Ballard has outdistanced Steve Goldsmith, and I never thought that was possible.

  • http://indianabarrister.com/ Abdul

    Of course the Ds will have to field a strong challenger and the way that primary is shaping up there might not be anybody left alive.

    I stand by what I wrote and did my homework. I have no reason to think that this isn't an accurate picture of Marion County right now. Of course that can all change.

    And remember people, I was the one who predicted Peterson was vulnerable and could lose way back in the January of 2007.

  • wilson46201

    Stopped clock or blind pig?

  • http://indianabarrister.com/ Abdul

    I'm a Muslim, like Andre. I don't eat pork.

  • Think Again

    Abdul, your D sources aren't very good. Both the major “announced” candidates are good. Either could beat Ballard. There will be no “Napalm in the Morning” aftermath from that primary.

    And if more candidates surface, which is likely, I don't sense there will be bloodshed. There are a couple of reasons:

    1. In the last election, there was The Julia Factor. Her influence had been deep and strong for a long time. In 2007, it was waning due to her health and speculation about her future. That will not be present in 2011, unless, God forbid, Andre gets sick. He's nowhere near the power player his grandma was, but he's gaining every day. And there is absolutely no appetite in the party to get his organization involved in a fight, so there will be much maneuvering behind the scenes to court his favor and thus avoid major fights.

    2. Ballard's performance has been so lackluster, he truly resembles Peterson in the last few months of his administration. He listens to the wrong folks, he squandered a magnificent opportunity for change, and he governs in stealth mode until he gets mad about something. He's Goldsmith Light.

    At the current rate, Ballard will drop even further, and he may be the one with a primary challenger. I'm betting the GOP is just enough power left to avoid that, but…sometimes I wonder.

  • Thundermutt

    So he's not phony like a politician…pretending to connect with the masses. I've seen the man in a smaller setting, and have had a few words with him. I'd buy him a beer. Not sure if I'll vote for him, though. His entourage needs some work.

  • pogden297

    The Democrats would not have to put up a strong candidate at all. An election where an incumbent is running for a second term, is a referendum on that incumbent. That's the problem. As long as the Democrats can put up a candidate who can fog a mirror, they're going to win against Ballard.

    As far as the CIB tax issue not being a voting issue, I'd suggest the Mayor go out and talk to some real voters, in particular Republicans. They do not want taxes raised for professional sports. And that's exactly what everyone sees the CIB bailout as being all about.

  • http://indianabarrister.com/ Abdul

    TA,

    Big shocker, but I respectfully disagree with you. E-mail me some time and I'll buy the beer and tell you some stories about your party. It will be a fun conversation.

  • pogden297

    As far as TA's comment regarding Ballard:

    “he squandered a magnificent opportunity for change”

    I just want to say AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!!

  • Think Again

    Gladly, Abdul. Vive la difference.

  • Puzzled

    I would like to hear the reputable pollster who came up with those numbers. Even strong republican friends do not like Ballard and the Marion County Republican party is split so badly……if the Dems have a decent candidate, some money, and the Andre Carson machine shifts into gear……Ballard is toast.

  • pogden297

    Puzzled, those scenarios don't have to happen for Ballard to lose. He's so unpopular, it's hard to imagine how he's going to rehabilitate his reputation between now and 2011 to give himself any chance of winning.

  • varangianguard

    If the Mayor were software, I'm thinking that it wouldn't be version 2.0 he's looking forward to.
    .
    Instead, many users found the original release version (1.0) buggy with several important features inoperable or missing. The developers were still struggling with attempts to fix version 1.0 and the hotfixes/patches (to 1.2) still seem to be missing several key components.
    .
    Since then, almost all of the original Beta testers and developers have bolted for greener pastures, where management actually pays attention to testing feedback. This has left replacement developers in charge who have a completely different programming philosophy and who have been steering the program in a completely different direction from its original intent.
    .
    Enough users have become disenchanted enough to have quit paying attention to Ballard 1.2, don't care if 1.3 actually releases, and won't be ordering version 2.0.
    .
    In the ensuing vacuum, others are Beta testing trial versions of Brizzi 0.2, Miles 0.1, Kennedy 0.5, Myers 0.2, and the like.

  • pogdenskeptic

    Hey Paul,

    How many elections have you won? What special insight do you have? You're not even a PC like you claimed. Didn't you miss one of the CIB meetings because you didn't know where it was and couldn't pick up the phone to call and find out? You're a joke.

  • IndyErnie

    Abdul don't let these nay sayers influence you. Ballard will win reelection. What PO or TA think doesn’t and won’t matter and Puzzled??? as always Puzzled will continue to be confused.

    Paul did you lie to me last week about being a PC?

  • Think Again

    Well I'm certain we all feel more at east now that Ernie has weighed in.

    Ernie, I don't know who you are, and vice versa, but my Democratic bonafides are pretty solid, and my election experience is, too.

    It's just opinions. I'm glad you have yours. We're all glad.

  • http://www.hoosiersforfairtaxation.com Melyssa

    Ernie, to my knowledge you are the only one of us that worked to elect Ballard who would support Ballard a second time.

  • http://www.hoosiersforfairtaxation.com Melyssa

    Abdul…thanks for going back to the old comment format. It’s much easier.

  • pogden297

    I won a contested Republican primary 2-1 against the son of the sitting State Treasurer in 2000 and who was also the former state representative for the district. Unlike the Mayor, I did not have the election handed to me by idiot things my opponent did.

    No, I didn't miss any CIB meetings because of that. I can't drop everything to go across town in the middle of the day for a meeting. I do recall complaining about the fact that the CIB has meetings without announcing them in advance and publishing them on a calendar. So you think it's okay for a government entity to have meetings without announcing them in advance and publishing their calendar? Nice. I just hope you're not a Republican because that's an embarassing attitude to have about government.

  • pogden297

    PC in Pike 12, unless Tom John recently removed me. He likes to remove appointed PCs who he doesn't think will vote the right way.

    I've been a PC, VWC and Ward Chairman since 1986. Now how long have you been active.

    It's people like you, the people who go along with things when they know they are wrong, who are destroying the Marion County Republican Party.

  • pogden297

    People like IndyErnie are the reason why we Republicans are going to get our heads handed to us in 2011. Grand/Lofus/John get away with what they do because they know people in the Republican Party are conditioned to just go along and not question what they're doing. If people questioned and took a stand, they wouldn't have taken over the Ballard administration and led him and my party off a cliff.

  • Think Again

    *at ease

    (east or west)

  • fireandhammer

    The Grand/Loftus/John comment is right on the money. However, I think it's bigger than that. I think that the Republican Party in Marion County has lost all sense of decorum and professional courtesy. The bottmom line is that the Mayor Ballard is the mayor. They may have wanted somebody flashier or more “political” but nobody stepped into the breach except Greg Ballard. Get behind him or get out of the way. He's a guy that respects loyalty, which is what veterans are taught in spades. How many of these guys served? Loftus – no. Tom John – please… Mitch Roob – no. That's why they don't understand loyalty. It's despicable.

  • RICK

    Ok folks, the election is still a long way away in political terms. Let's not try to second guess our selves. We must work to support who is the mayor right now. Not look over the fence to see if the grass is greener there. So, buck it up and we will be ok.

  • IndyErnie

    Paul when I listened to you at the Washington Club Meeting I didn't agree with all that you had to say but I didn't call you out or insult you in anyway. That was then this is now!
    I think you are detrimental to our party. I don't think you are helping the republican cause by posting negative comments or by attacking our elected. I do think you have the right to express your opinions within the GOP at caucuses or at the conventions. That's where someone with a different idea should express opinions. But I'm not a learner-ed attorney I'm just a middle aged guy who's been around the block a few times.
    If you talk to Tom John you might find out that although I respect and like Tom, he and I don't always agree. I'm sure Tom will tell you that I do express my concerns face to face.

  • IndyErnie

    TA I don't know you either. I agree with you at times. You seem to be a little left of center and not a total lib.
    Opinions yea…I'm very opinionated and I'm usually right. Hows that for an opinion? I'm glad that you have opinions too and I'm mostly happy that we can express them without fear of reprisal…however I'm afraid that with the the libs in control that right could go away sooner then any of us want.

  • Rico

    Let's face facts. The libs will never like Greg Ballard because he doesn't make them feel warm and fuzzy.

  • Think Again

    Ernie–you're wrong about the libs in control. Liberals gave you the Constitution. Read up. We're civil libertarians, and we want to preserve your rights, not dismantle them bit by bit. As happened the last eight years.

  • http://www.hoosiersforfairtaxation.com/ melyssa

    Ernie, Did you respect and like Tom John when he barely lifted a finger to get Ballard elected? Did you like Tom John when he said right in front of Ballard that he didn't have a prayer of winning and that the Marion County GOP was mainly focused on winning council races? The Marion County GOP is a mess. Regular folks out there don't respect them anymore than we do the Democrats, Ernie. Both are rat-holes. Guys like Paul Ogden relate to The People.

  • IndyErnie

    Melyssa did you read my post? This is what I posted…”I do think you have the right to express your opinions within the GOP at caucuses or at the conventions. That's where someone with a different idea should express opinions.”

    I can respect someone's opinion in the right setting but blasting ones own party in a political public is wrong.

  • http://www.hoosiersforfairtaxation.com/ melyssa

    You bet I have a right! I lowered myself to go to GOP HQ to make calls on behalf of Ballard. I worked my tail off for Ballard. I'm invested as much as you or anyone else. THAT gives me the right.

    Gee Ernie…are you saying we've never heard you criticize the democrats or libertarians in public?

    BTW…I'm not a Republican. Couldn't lower myself to be in a party that threw its own principles out the window!

  • http://www.hoosiersforfairtaxation.com/ melyssa

    Ernie…sorry, at first I misinterpreted what you said. I think you should speak up about what a rat-hole your party is. Just like I spoke up about suffering sexual abuse as a kid within my own family. It's my only shot at being healed from it one day!
    .
    The reason? The republicans have proven they don't have the stones to clean up their act from the inside.

    At this point the only Republicans I can trust are those that align themselves with the Republican Liberty Caucus. The rest outside the RLC are suspect to me.

  • IndyErnie

    Melyssa if I though it was a “rat-hole” I wouldn't be a part of it.

  • Rico

    The local GOP is a joke! I thought you should have realized that, Ernie, when they did nothing to help Eric Dickerson defeat Julia Carson, thereby sentencing us all to a Carson-for-life. The Marion County GOP trades one a-hole (Mike Murphy) in for another (Tom John). I don't include Mayor Ballard in this criticism…..yet! I don't believe he's an inherently political person, and I believe he means well. Not being a Democrat, however, I will not judge him by his intentions, but by his results.

  • joneaster

    Well, a unified Democratic Party should be able to beat Greg Ballard in 2011. However, we are Democrats and we still have two years and lots of mess to step in between now and then.

    The Democratic candidates that seem to be the most serious so far are…in alpha order…Jose Evans, Joe Hogsett, and Melina Kennedy. There are other names out there, but they have separate issues. Joe and Melina have been making the rounds for at least the last six months. Jose is just getting moving. I have also already seen the party faithful starting to gel around candidates on both sides.

    If it's a Joe vs. Melina race, I think one or the other will make it nice and simple for the other. It goes to slating…one wins and one goes home. I also think the party comes back together nicely and neatly. Jose Evans' plans are a little more up in the air. I'm not sure if he would stay in the race after slating or not. The vast majority of folks going to vote in a party primary for a municipal election are going to be the plugged in party voters.

    That leaves, in my view, a very good Democratic candidate up against Ballard…who I don't think will “pull a Palin” or drop out of the race. I'm not as convinced as Abdul that he will get through the primary season unscathed. Shuld a renegade Republican with some money run on a similar platform that Ballard did in 2007, I think they can probably pull enough votes to beat Ballard in a primary or at least take a chunk out of him.

    That may leave a weakened Ballard up against an electorate in Marion County that's probably +5-10 points Democratic now. If I were Ballard, I'd be working the backrooms to make sure that I'm free and clear in the Primary. He's going to need all the resources that he can get even if he makes it through the primary unscathed.

    Who knows though? For politicos, it should be an interesting two years! Just thinking out loud here.

  • joneaster

    Apologize for the typo…4th paragraph “SHOULD” not “SHULD”

  • melyssa

    I know one thing…Abdul will emerge from the next election cycle unscathed! LOL!

  • joneaster

    Well, a unified Democratic Party should be able to beat Greg Ballard in 2011. However, we are Democrats and we still have two years and lots of mess to step in between now and then.

    The Democratic candidates that seem to be the most serious so far are…in alpha order…Jose Evans, Joe Hogsett, and Melina Kennedy. There are other names out there, but they have separate issues. Joe and Melina have been making the rounds for at least the last six months. Jose is just getting moving. I have also already seen the party faithful starting to gel around candidates on both sides.

    If it's a Joe vs. Melina race, I think one or the other will make it nice and simple for the other. It goes to slating…one wins and one goes home. I also think the party comes back together nicely and neatly. Jose Evans' plans are a little more up in the air. I'm not sure if he would stay in the race after slating or not. The vast majority of folks going to vote in a party primary for a municipal election are going to be the plugged in party voters.

    That leaves, in my view, a very good Democratic candidate up against Ballard…who I don't think will “pull a Palin” or drop out of the race. I'm not as convinced as Abdul that he will get through the primary season unscathed. Shuld a renegade Republican with some money run on a similar platform that Ballard did in 2007, I think they can probably pull enough votes to beat Ballard in a primary or at least take a chunk out of him.

    That may leave a weakened Ballard up against an electorate in Marion County that's probably +5-10 points Democratic now. If I were Ballard, I'd be working the backrooms to make sure that I'm free and clear in the Primary. He's going to need all the resources that he can get even if he makes it through the primary unscathed.

    Who knows though? For politicos, it should be an interesting two years! Just thinking out loud here.

  • joneaster

    Apologize for the typo…4th paragraph “SHOULD” not “SHULD”

  • melyssa

    I know one thing…Abdul will emerge from the next election cycle unscathed! LOL!

  • Bart Flies

    WOW!!! This may have been the most popular post yet. I agree with the first comment that you can never trust a politician’s own polling, Republican or Democratic.

    Independent polling is the only one you can trust. Word on the street is that MIBOR and the Chamber have done polls lately and are completely neutral.

    Bart Peterson was still in the high 60’s (go figure), while Ballard was in the high 30s. That poll also showed that Ballard was absolutely getting killed in Washington Twp.

    The other word on the street is that pretty much every prominent Republican – people like Jim Morris, PE McAllister, the Gov, Mark Miles, heck- even members of his own administration – are aghast at Ballard. I don’t think any of these folks will be comfortable just letting him ride toward slating.

    The question to ask is does the Mayor control the Marion County GOP apparatus? Does he have a relationship with precinct and ward chairs who will vote in slating? Does he have a relationship with donors? If the answer is yes, then he has a fighting chance in slating. If not, he’s toast.

    In the general, he’s facing an uphill battle.

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