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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/06/return_to_sender-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-30441</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a far better sentiment than return to spender.</description>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a far better sentiment than return to spender.</description>
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		<title>By: IndyAries</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/06/return_to_sender-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-24443</link>
		<dc:creator>IndyAries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, while I generally agree with your comments, I must part company here.  I have a very healthy distrust of anyone who wishes to be a politician.  They would have to labor long and hard to convince me that their motivations are genuinely altruistic.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I want people in there who will honor and cherish the words and intent of our Constitution, not try to find ways around it. I want elected officials who take their oath of office seriously, even if it causes them hurt.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the provisions of the Constitution be not upheld when they pinch as well as when they comfort, they may as well be abandoned. -- Justice Charles Evans Hughes&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And I certainly do NOT want people in there who enforce our Constitution &quot;as interpreted by the Supreme Court&quot;, or some other Lawyer in a Robe (LiaR).  Judges often appear as frustrated legislators; people who can&#039;t get elected to &#039;make law&#039;, so they legislate from the bench.  Thus we get &#039;case law&#039;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I certainly have a distrust of anyone who makes a career out being an elected official.  Let them serve a term or two, then go home.  Keeping fresh blood in our Statehouse would keep fresh ideas in the pipeline, and might help to hold the lobbyists at bay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, while I generally agree with your comments, I must part company here.  I have a very healthy distrust of anyone who wishes to be a politician.  They would have to labor long and hard to convince me that their motivations are genuinely altruistic.</p>
<p>I want people in there who will honor and cherish the words and intent of our Constitution, not try to find ways around it. I want elected officials who take their oath of office seriously, even if it causes them hurt.</p>
<p>If the provisions of the Constitution be not upheld when they pinch as well as when they comfort, they may as well be abandoned. &#8212; Justice Charles Evans Hughes</p>
<p>And I certainly do NOT want people in there who enforce our Constitution &#8220;as interpreted by the Supreme Court&#8221;, or some other Lawyer in a Robe (LiaR).  Judges often appear as frustrated legislators; people who can&#39;t get elected to &#39;make law&#39;, so they legislate from the bench.  Thus we get &#39;case law&#39;.</p>
<p>I certainly have a distrust of anyone who makes a career out being an elected official.  Let them serve a term or two, then go home.  Keeping fresh blood in our Statehouse would keep fresh ideas in the pipeline, and might help to hold the lobbyists at bay.</p>
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		<title>By: varangianguard</title>
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		<dc:creator>varangianguard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Individually, I&#039;m sure Paul is right. But get the whole herd together and the behavior of the group sure changes. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just a select few determine which way the herd is supposed to jump. Those select few are less likely to be ordinary people trying to do a good job.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And, for the rest, I doubt they even see that their lack of individual responsibility to their constituents is happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Individually, I&#39;m sure Paul is right. But get the whole herd together and the behavior of the group sure changes. </p>
<p>Just a select few determine which way the herd is supposed to jump. Those select few are less likely to be ordinary people trying to do a good job.</p>
<p>And, for the rest, I doubt they even see that their lack of individual responsibility to their constituents is happening.</p>
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		<title>By: IndyAries</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/06/return_to_sender-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-24441</link>
		<dc:creator>IndyAries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &#039;People&#039; are rarely heard in these so-called public meetings.  I&#039;ve been to enough of them.  I see the special interests, lobbyists, and other government entities having the opportunity to address our elected reprobates.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BUT, when it&#039;s time for the taxpayers to speak (after waiting for hours), the meetings are adjourned.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Every bill passed gets the input of the people.&quot;  Really?  Why didn&#039;t government give us the opportunity to vote on the new Colt&#039;s playground?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They admitted -- after the fact -- that if the People were given the opportunity to vote on the &#039;project&#039;, that it would have been voted down.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If those reprobates were REALLY there for &quot;We the People&quot; and not &quot;They Themselves&quot;, then they would NOT vote for their own payraises -- they would defer to us.  They would not vote for that golden insurance policy for themselves and their families.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I could go on and on.  Most here don&#039;t seem to be a naive as others.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Good motives may always be assumed, as bad motives may always be imputed. Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of power; but they cannot justify it, even if we were sure that they existed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is hardly too strong to say, that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intention, real or pretended. When bad intentions are boldly avowed, the People will promptly take care of themselves.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the other hand, they will always be asked, why they should resist, or question, that exercise of power, which is so fair in its object, so plausible and patriotic in appearance, and which has the public good alone, confessedly in view?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Human beings, we may be assured, will generally exercise power, when they can get it; and they will exercise it most undoubtedly, in popular Governments, under the pretences of public safety, or high public interest.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It may be very possible, that good intentions do really sometimes exist, when Constitutional restraints are disregarded.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are men, in all ages, who mean to exercise power usefully; but who mean to exercise it. They mean to govern well; but they mean to govern. They promise to be kind masters; but they mean to be masters. -- DANIEL WEBSTER, IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES ON THE PROTEST AGAINST EXPUNGING, MONDAY JANUARY 16 1837</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#39;People&#39; are rarely heard in these so-called public meetings.  I&#39;ve been to enough of them.  I see the special interests, lobbyists, and other government entities having the opportunity to address our elected reprobates.</p>
<p>BUT, when it&#39;s time for the taxpayers to speak (after waiting for hours), the meetings are adjourned.</p>
<p>&#8220;Every bill passed gets the input of the people.&#8221;  Really?  Why didn&#39;t government give us the opportunity to vote on the new Colt&#39;s playground?</p>
<p>They admitted &#8212; after the fact &#8212; that if the People were given the opportunity to vote on the &#39;project&#39;, that it would have been voted down.</p>
<p>If those reprobates were REALLY there for &#8220;We the People&#8221; and not &#8220;They Themselves&#8221;, then they would NOT vote for their own payraises &#8212; they would defer to us.  They would not vote for that golden insurance policy for themselves and their families.</p>
<p>I could go on and on.  Most here don&#39;t seem to be a naive as others.</p>
<p>Good motives may always be assumed, as bad motives may always be imputed. Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of power; but they cannot justify it, even if we were sure that they existed.</p>
<p>It is hardly too strong to say, that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intention, real or pretended. When bad intentions are boldly avowed, the People will promptly take care of themselves.</p>
<p>On the other hand, they will always be asked, why they should resist, or question, that exercise of power, which is so fair in its object, so plausible and patriotic in appearance, and which has the public good alone, confessedly in view?</p>
<p>Human beings, we may be assured, will generally exercise power, when they can get it; and they will exercise it most undoubtedly, in popular Governments, under the pretences of public safety, or high public interest.</p>
<p>It may be very possible, that good intentions do really sometimes exist, when Constitutional restraints are disregarded.</p>
<p>There are men, in all ages, who mean to exercise power usefully; but who mean to exercise it. They mean to govern well; but they mean to govern. They promise to be kind masters; but they mean to be masters. &#8212; DANIEL WEBSTER, IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES ON THE PROTEST AGAINST EXPUNGING, MONDAY JANUARY 16 1837</p>
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		<title>By: Paul K. Ogden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul K. Ogden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Mr. Opinionated&#039;s comments.  I worked in the Indiana Senate for three sessions. Most of the people there are just ordinary people trying to do a good job.  I agree they often fall short of that, but people who imply they don&#039;t work hard, don&#039;t have good intentions, I don&#039;t think that&#039;s usually the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Mr. Opinionated&#39;s comments.  I worked in the Indiana Senate for three sessions. Most of the people there are just ordinary people trying to do a good job.  I agree they often fall short of that, but people who imply they don&#39;t work hard, don&#39;t have good intentions, I don&#39;t think that&#39;s usually the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Really</title>
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		<dc:creator>Really</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Abbie,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We won&#039;t get  a check and we won&#039;t hold our politicians accountable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We (most) are sheep.  Baahhhh.  We follow our party/people.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And the politicians continue to get re-elected.  And Hoosiers continue to put up with this thing we call a &quot;democratic republic government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Abbie,</p>
<p>We won&#39;t get  a check and we won&#39;t hold our politicians accountable.</p>
<p>We (most) are sheep.  Baahhhh.  We follow our party/people.</p>
<p>And the politicians continue to get re-elected.  And Hoosiers continue to put up with this thing we call a &#8220;democratic republic government.</p>
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		<title>By: Taxpayer 834512</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taxpayer 834512</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CIB:  If bankruptcy is a true long-term alternative, and we can&#039;t get a CIB audit and more $ from the Colts and Pacers, I&#039;m all for bankruptcy.  If it&#039;s really not, and the convention (certainly not sports) business REALLY is an economic generator for the state, share an estimate of what each legislator&#039;s district will be losing if they don&#039;t get on the stick.  If that finally gets their attention, then give the rest of the state some representation on the overseeing board, whatever it is.  Also appoint one consumer/taxpayer rep who&#039;s not in lockstep with either party:  Ogden, McGuire, Shepard or Melyssa come to mind.  Name somebody else who isn&#039;t beholden to Republicans or Democrats.  Hold the board meetings AT NIGHT, when taxpayers can attend.  Don&#039;t rule-out privatization if the savings can be guaranteed.  Demanding education funding increases when tax revenue is in a steep decrease demands frugality SOMEWHERE.  &lt;br&gt;.&lt;br&gt;Budget:  Maybe 1 or 2 years as a bargaining chip for either party if &amp; when it gets close.  It&#039;s going to be real, real ugly and detached from reality with sidebars like demanded disclosure of hotel worker salaries, gambling expansion ever-looming, and an attempt to stifle the charter schools that apparently most of the state wants.&lt;br&gt;.&lt;br&gt;The whole budget dance seems a lot like California if you read about it.  There, the Democrats don&#039;t have the votes, but they have teachers, and unions, and state worker constituencies they have to support even if they get vetoed- because that&#039;s their people.  Economic reality really doesn&#039;t matter, does it?  It&#039;s go down with the ship fiscally if necessary, but go down with &quot;your people&quot;.&lt;br&gt;.&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t mind a 2% increase in education spending.  I mind it if we&#039;re not cutting elsewhere in the budget to pay for it.  In the current unemployment situation, I think I&#039;d be more inclined to pay attention to unemployment to keep families afloat instead of education.  But, I&#039;m more concerned about spending money we don&#039;t have that quibbling over which issue is THE most dire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CIB:  If bankruptcy is a true long-term alternative, and we can&#39;t get a CIB audit and more $ from the Colts and Pacers, I&#39;m all for bankruptcy.  If it&#39;s really not, and the convention (certainly not sports) business REALLY is an economic generator for the state, share an estimate of what each legislator&#39;s district will be losing if they don&#39;t get on the stick.  If that finally gets their attention, then give the rest of the state some representation on the overseeing board, whatever it is.  Also appoint one consumer/taxpayer rep who&#39;s not in lockstep with either party:  Ogden, McGuire, Shepard or Melyssa come to mind.  Name somebody else who isn&#39;t beholden to Republicans or Democrats.  Hold the board meetings AT NIGHT, when taxpayers can attend.  Don&#39;t rule-out privatization if the savings can be guaranteed.  Demanding education funding increases when tax revenue is in a steep decrease demands frugality SOMEWHERE.  <br />.<br />Budget:  Maybe 1 or 2 years as a bargaining chip for either party if &#038; when it gets close.  It&#39;s going to be real, real ugly and detached from reality with sidebars like demanded disclosure of hotel worker salaries, gambling expansion ever-looming, and an attempt to stifle the charter schools that apparently most of the state wants.<br />.<br />The whole budget dance seems a lot like California if you read about it.  There, the Democrats don&#39;t have the votes, but they have teachers, and unions, and state worker constituencies they have to support even if they get vetoed- because that&#39;s their people.  Economic reality really doesn&#39;t matter, does it?  It&#39;s go down with the ship fiscally if necessary, but go down with &#8220;your people&#8221;.<br />.<br />I don&#39;t mind a 2% increase in education spending.  I mind it if we&#39;re not cutting elsewhere in the budget to pay for it.  In the current unemployment situation, I think I&#39;d be more inclined to pay attention to unemployment to keep families afloat instead of education.  But, I&#39;m more concerned about spending money we don&#39;t have that quibbling over which issue is THE most dire.</p>
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		<title>By: Melyssa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melyssa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I ran into Cindy Noe at the Meridian Kessler home tour.  She took a good half an hour to talk to my friend Neil, who lives in her district.  She expressed a good amount of frustration with how things are (not) progressing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ran into Cindy Noe at the Meridian Kessler home tour.  She took a good half an hour to talk to my friend Neil, who lives in her district.  She expressed a good amount of frustration with how things are (not) progressing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Opinionated</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Opinionated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is simply not true. They do not go into politics to control people. It is also not them alone deciding how to govern. Every bill passed gets the input of the people. Individuals and groups can offer solutions and ideas. Work on legislation goes beyond 150 lawmakers alone deciding whats best. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If nothing else, we decide on who we put in that position. And they know that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is simply not true. They do not go into politics to control people. It is also not them alone deciding how to govern. Every bill passed gets the input of the people. Individuals and groups can offer solutions and ideas. Work on legislation goes beyond 150 lawmakers alone deciding whats best. </p>
<p>If nothing else, we decide on who we put in that position. And they know that.</p>
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