Comments on: Pick Your Protest http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/04/pick_your_protest.html Indiana Barrister is the source for local Indianapolis and Indiana news, politics and commentary. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:17:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Kim http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/04/pick_your_protest.html/comment-page-2#comment-22513 Kim Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:26:29 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/?p=1875#comment-22513 Think again, the "loss of personal freedom" I refer to is the choice of where the fruits of our labor go. If I add up my income taxes, sales taxes, employment taxes, and other government fees and taxes, the "collective" gets about 70% of my income. That's not freedom nor individuality. Think again, the “loss of personal freedom” I refer to is the choice of where the fruits of our labor go. If I add up my income taxes, sales taxes, employment taxes, and other government fees and taxes, the “collective” gets about 70% of my income. That’s not freedom nor individuality.

]]> By: Shorebreak http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/04/pick_your_protest.html/comment-page-2#comment-22505 Shorebreak Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:48:38 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/?p=1875#comment-22505 Melyssa - I've found that they're not only black and white - they're often transparent. If something doesn't support the Constitution and faithful implementation of it's requirements, something is being manipulated or controlled by entities who benefit when there is a deviation from the rule of law. . It's that simple. In order to understand the purpose of these deviations, without relying on often inane or suspect websites, it takes a lot of digging. Before the internet I used to spend a lot of time taking news/magazine stories and doing searches at a good library to connect dots between individuals and organizations. That's when I started to find a lot of manuscripts, one-off news stories, and institutional publications that connected the activities of elected and appointed officials directly with organizations who were using influence to pursue supra-national organizations and other government constructs that were organized to benefit private finance rather than the voters. . Once the internet cam around, it made my efforts much easier. For example, over course of a few hours I could easily see that 80% of cabinet appointees came from the invite-only CFR, regardless of which party was in office. And that most are tied to the same Wall Street firms, or to the same foundations and institutions as those who were appointed previously by the opposing party. Before the internet, that research could have taken days. It didn't take long for the wheels to come completely off the bus for those few of us who were actually ignoring the media and doing our own research. Things started to become extremely transparent, only the media remained silent (and they still do) despite the ease of research with todays technology. Melyssa – I’ve found that they’re not only black and white – they’re often transparent. If something doesn’t support the Constitution and faithful implementation of it’s requirements, something is being manipulated or controlled by entities who benefit when there is a deviation from the rule of law.
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It’s that simple. In order to understand the purpose of these deviations, without relying on often inane or suspect websites, it takes a lot of digging. Before the internet I used to spend a lot of time taking news/magazine stories and doing searches at a good library to connect dots between individuals and organizations. That’s when I started to find a lot of manuscripts, one-off news stories, and institutional publications that connected the activities of elected and appointed officials directly with organizations who were using influence to pursue supra-national organizations and other government constructs that were organized to benefit private finance rather than the voters.
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Once the internet cam around, it made my efforts much easier. For example, over course of a few hours I could easily see that 80% of cabinet appointees came from the invite-only CFR, regardless of which party was in office. And that most are tied to the same Wall Street firms, or to the same foundations and institutions as those who were appointed previously by the opposing party. Before the internet, that research could have taken days. It didn’t take long for the wheels to come completely off the bus for those few of us who were actually ignoring the media and doing our own research. Things started to become extremely transparent, only the media remained silent (and they still do) despite the ease of research with todays technology.

]]> By: Melyssa http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/04/pick_your_protest.html/comment-page-2#comment-22501 Melyssa Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:03:33 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/?p=1875#comment-22501 Damn Shorebreak...these things are never black and white, are they? Damn Shorebreak…these things are never black and white, are they?

]]> By: Shorebreak http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/04/pick_your_protest.html/comment-page-1#comment-22473 Shorebreak Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:55:12 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/?p=1875#comment-22473 "I LOVE Governor Perry!" . Are you sure about that, Melyssa? My sense is that Perry is seriously going to try secession to break up the Republic. Divide and conquer will be easier than ever. If I were a Texan, I'd make damn sure that my State Constitution has an ironclad Bill Of Rights before getting in line behind Perry. Even still, they likely end up becoming a small part of NAFTA regional economic control rather than part of a strong sovereign republic under the US Constitution. Seccession by Perry would play 100% into the hands of those who intend to integrate us into a regional system rather than remain a strong, sovereign nation. “I LOVE Governor Perry!”
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Are you sure about that, Melyssa? My sense is that Perry is seriously going to try secession to break up the Republic. Divide and conquer will be easier than ever. If I were a Texan, I’d make damn sure that my State Constitution has an ironclad Bill Of Rights before getting in line behind Perry. Even still, they likely end up becoming a small part of NAFTA regional economic control rather than part of a strong sovereign republic under the US Constitution. Seccession by Perry would play 100% into the hands of those who intend to integrate us into a regional system rather than remain a strong, sovereign nation.

]]> By: Think Again http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/04/pick_your_protest.html/comment-page-1#comment-22471 Think Again Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:32:15 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/?p=1875#comment-22471 Uh, Dawg, you're just plain wrong. The Iraq War was offered up as a means to an end by W and Rummy and Cheney, or more appropriately, Rummy and Cheney, with W just going along: WMD. Which never existed, and haven't yet been found by our troops on the ground. So anti-war protests were 100% anti-Bush and anti-war. And history has already made that judgment...you might wanna look around. Rico, I bent over backward to praise the Prince of Peace, Mr. Bush, and you did likewise to heap untrue criticism on the incumbent. Classless. And void of intellectual curiosity. Uh, Dawg, you’re just plain wrong.

The Iraq War was offered up as a means to an end by W and Rummy and Cheney, or more appropriately, Rummy and Cheney, with W just going along: WMD. Which never existed, and haven’t yet been found by our troops on the ground.

So anti-war protests were 100% anti-Bush and anti-war. And history has already made that judgment…you might wanna look around.

Rico, I bent over backward to praise the Prince of Peace, Mr. Bush, and you did likewise to heap untrue criticism on the incumbent. Classless. And void of intellectual curiosity.

]]> By: Taxpayer 834512 http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/04/pick_your_protest.html/comment-page-1#comment-22468 Taxpayer 834512 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:16:56 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/?p=1875#comment-22468 They were sitting on their cans, while former Comptroller General, David Walker, and the few of us calling in & carrying signs were ignored. . Then - it went from "real bad" to worse. . Houston, we still have a bipartisan problem. They were sitting on their cans, while former Comptroller General, David Walker, and the few of us calling in & carrying signs were ignored.
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Then – it went from “real bad” to worse.
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Houston, we still have a bipartisan problem.

]]> By: Really http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/04/pick_your_protest.html/comment-page-1#comment-22463 Really Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:09:14 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/?p=1875#comment-22463 Intersting piece. April 16, 2009 The Truth About Taxes and Spending Marie Cocco http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/04/16/overboard_on_tea_parties_96004.html Side note: Strange thing is that when the Bush Administration (remember Mitch Daniels the Blade) came into office with an advantage few presidents have enjoyed -- a $230 billion surplus (if you want to believe the numbers by CBO). But due to a $1.35 trillion tax cut in 2001, a $1.5 trillion tax cut in 2003, $170 million in stimulus checks in 2008 and a massive defense buildup through the Iraq (WMD or 9-11 terrrorist hunt) and Afghanistan wars (at a cost of what $8-$10 billion a month), on top of a massive corporate and financial bailouts Bush quickly blew through that surplus. Sad thing about this Democrats didn't protest government, spending, taxing and waste, they acted and voted the bums out. My question is where were these tea parties 3,5 or 7 years ago when things were getting real bad? Intersting piece.

April 16, 2009
The Truth About Taxes and Spending
Marie Cocco

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/04/16/overboard_on_tea_parties_96004.html

Side note:

Strange thing is that when the Bush Administration (remember Mitch Daniels the Blade) came into office with an advantage few presidents have enjoyed — a $230 billion surplus (if you want to believe the numbers by CBO). But due to a $1.35 trillion tax cut in 2001, a $1.5 trillion tax cut in 2003, $170 million in stimulus checks in 2008 and a massive defense buildup through the Iraq (WMD or 9-11 terrrorist hunt) and Afghanistan wars (at a cost of what $8-$10 billion a month), on top of a massive corporate and financial bailouts Bush quickly blew through that surplus. Sad thing about this Democrats didn’t protest government, spending, taxing and waste, they acted and voted the bums out. My question is where were these tea parties 3,5 or 7 years ago when things were getting real bad?

]]> By: Taxpayer 834512 http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/04/pick_your_protest.html/comment-page-1#comment-22458 Taxpayer 834512 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:32:25 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/?p=1875#comment-22458 Thanks, Robert. Of all the non-Constitutional excursions we're immersed in, I'd always given a thumbs-up to public education as I thought it cheaper than public ignorance. However, given polarization, lethargy, and incumbency, when the dwindling producers can no longer fund the consumers, decline is just from expensive ignorance. . This "grand experiment" is something to undertake with "extra money" you have, like a Las Vegas trip. Instead, because it's "the right thing to do", we print more magic buckets and assuage ourselves that this is what's "best for our children", with no expectations and leadership for the whole of our society, only demonization of the demographic opposition. . President Obama is a well-educated, worldly, unparalleled orator of an ethnicity more closely akin to the spectrum of America. But, he's got to ask the sacrifice and expectations to be from ALL of us, for this to get off the ground. . Damn the personal ideology and potential to be as dogmatic as your predecessor! You're unusually blessed with having all the tools in the toolbox. Get them out and explicitedly expect ALL of us to help. Thanks, Robert. Of all the non-Constitutional excursions we’re immersed in, I’d always given a thumbs-up to public education as I thought it cheaper than public ignorance. However, given polarization, lethargy, and incumbency, when the dwindling producers can no longer fund the consumers, decline is just from expensive ignorance.
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This “grand experiment” is something to undertake with “extra money” you have, like a Las Vegas trip. Instead, because it’s “the right thing to do”, we print more magic buckets and assuage ourselves that this is what’s “best for our children”, with no expectations and leadership for the whole of our society, only demonization of the demographic opposition.
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President Obama is a well-educated, worldly, unparalleled orator of an ethnicity more closely akin to the spectrum of America. But, he’s got to ask the sacrifice and expectations to be from ALL of us, for this to get off the ground.
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Damn the personal ideology and potential to be as dogmatic as your predecessor! You’re unusually blessed with having all the tools in the toolbox. Get them out and explicitedly expect ALL of us to help.

]]> By: Daw-g http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/04/pick_your_protest.html/comment-page-1#comment-22457 Daw-g Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:21:56 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/?p=1875#comment-22457 Something else just dawned on me about the anti-bush/anti-obama protests. One got scant coverage. The other got a LOT of coverage with a lot of analysis into why they are not accurate, who is behind them, and why they don't matter. . Geee...anyone care to guess which protest got which coverage and even more important...why? lol Something else just dawned on me about the anti-bush/anti-obama protests. One got scant coverage. The other got a LOT of coverage with a lot of analysis into why they are not accurate, who is behind them, and why they don’t matter.
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Geee…anyone care to guess which protest got which coverage and even more important…why? lol

]]> By: Daw-g http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/04/pick_your_protest.html/comment-page-1#comment-22456 Daw-g Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:07:15 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/?p=1875#comment-22456 What strikes a cord with me about this article and it's comparison to the "anti-war" protests (which were 95% anti-bush and 5% anti-war), is the people on the right nearly said the same frakking identical thing about them! . Were I to judge each protests I'd say for merit the anti-war protests made about 35% sense. The anti-obama/congress make about 75% sense. What strikes a cord with me about this article and it’s comparison to the “anti-war” protests (which were 95% anti-bush and 5% anti-war), is the people on the right nearly said the same frakking identical thing about them!
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Were I to judge each protests I’d say for merit the anti-war protests made about 35% sense. The anti-obama/congress make about 75% sense.

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