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	<title>Comments on: Ain&#8217;t Life Grand?  Yeah, About 250 Grand!</title>
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		<title>By: John Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Colts lease is, in my mind, a bit of a different animal than a &#039;regular&#039; contract.  

This was not a case of &#039;you and I sit down and make a deal that we both think is fair.&#039;  It was a third party acting recklessly, committing the tax dollars of thousands of people to a VERY bad deal and not ONE of those paying the tab had any influence over the process.  There ought to be a remedy for that.  I think bankruptcy is the best way to go - fix the problem don&#039;t temporarily mask it with still more taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Colts lease is, in my mind, a bit of a different animal than a &#8216;regular&#8217; contract.  </p>
<p>This was not a case of &#8216;you and I sit down and make a deal that we both think is fair.&#8217;  It was a third party acting recklessly, committing the tax dollars of thousands of people to a VERY bad deal and not ONE of those paying the tab had any influence over the process.  There ought to be a remedy for that.  I think bankruptcy is the best way to go &#8211; fix the problem don&#8217;t temporarily mask it with still more taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, 

I doubt the colts reputation has been hurt at all. As long as Manning is Qb and they keep winning 12 games the stadium will be sold out every game, regardless of if Irsay bends at all.  

Why do we expect Irsay to give up 1/3 of his operating income to make up for a bad deal those &quot;morons&quot; agreed upon? 1/3 of anything is a lot to ask a person or corporation to forfeit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, </p>
<p>I doubt the colts reputation has been hurt at all. As long as Manning is Qb and they keep winning 12 games the stadium will be sold out every game, regardless of if Irsay bends at all.  </p>
<p>Why do we expect Irsay to give up 1/3 of his operating income to make up for a bad deal those &#8220;morons&#8221; agreed upon? 1/3 of anything is a lot to ask a person or corporation to forfeit.</p>
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		<title>By: Think Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Think Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, I doubt it&#039;s as dire as you state.  But this has been a Colts PR nightmare, poorly-handled from day one.

If someone wants to hoist Jimmy as a hero, because he cut a good business deal, well...the CEOs of the ten largest banks in America cut great compensation deals with their boards last year, too.

We should be able to dissect the Colts lease after the dust settles.  And then we can hang the culprits.  One question in all this mess:

Our natural watchdogs are members of the CC Council.  Where the hell were they?  Looking for their Lucas seats?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, I doubt it&#8217;s as dire as you state.  But this has been a Colts PR nightmare, poorly-handled from day one.</p>
<p>If someone wants to hoist Jimmy as a hero, because he cut a good business deal, well&#8230;the CEOs of the ten largest banks in America cut great compensation deals with their boards last year, too.</p>
<p>We should be able to dissect the Colts lease after the dust settles.  And then we can hang the culprits.  One question in all this mess:</p>
<p>Our natural watchdogs are members of the CC Council.  Where the hell were they?  Looking for their Lucas seats?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul K. Ogden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul K. Ogden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick2,

Actually Jim Irsay is an idiot.  You don&#039;t think what he&#039;s done the last few years will have a heavy toll on the reputation of the Colts organization?
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No a smart owner would have bent a little on their contract and become a hero to the city.  Irsay instead is Enemy No. 1 in this city.
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Irsay isn&#039;t a genuius, he just negotiated a deal with morons who had no problem giving away taxpayers money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick2,</p>
<p>Actually Jim Irsay is an idiot.  You don&#8217;t think what he&#8217;s done the last few years will have a heavy toll on the reputation of the Colts organization?<br />
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No a smart owner would have bent a little on their contract and become a hero to the city.  Irsay instead is Enemy No. 1 in this city.<br />
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Irsay isn&#8217;t a genuius, he just negotiated a deal with morons who had no problem giving away taxpayers money.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I hear about this situation the more I respect Irsay and think the man is a genius.  He negotiated one of the greatest stadium deals in history and he knows that the city needs the Colts more than the Colts need the city.  I never liked Irsay much before this recent issue, but now he is by far my favorite NFL Owner.  Stay strong Jim, the city needs to learn a lesson about how to negotiate with a sports franchise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I hear about this situation the more I respect Irsay and think the man is a genius.  He negotiated one of the greatest stadium deals in history and he knows that the city needs the Colts more than the Colts need the city.  I never liked Irsay much before this recent issue, but now he is by far my favorite NFL Owner.  Stay strong Jim, the city needs to learn a lesson about how to negotiate with a sports franchise.</p>
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		<title>By: Think Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Think Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK ONE MORE TRY ON THE BBERRY KEYBOARD WITH FAT THUMBS:

&quot;when&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK ONE MORE TRY ON THE BBERRY KEYBOARD WITH FAT THUMBS:</p>
<p>&#8220;when&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Think Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Think Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>8WHEN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8WHEN</p>
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		<title>By: Think Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Think Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, maybe it&#039;s just me, but hen did race get injected into this argument?   Quid, no one, including Irsay, was talking about race.  Calm down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, maybe it&#8217;s just me, but hen did race get injected into this argument?   Quid, no one, including Irsay, was talking about race.  Calm down.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul K. Ogden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul K. Ogden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Varan,  I was thinking the same thing.  The payments are up to those amounts. Yet, they max out every time.  Someone should really check into this.
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Abdul has done a good job of bringing up some more obscure, albeit important, portions of the contract many of us have overlooked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Varan,  I was thinking the same thing.  The payments are up to those amounts. Yet, they max out every time.  Someone should really check into this.<br />
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Abdul has done a good job of bringing up some more obscure, albeit important, portions of the contract many of us have overlooked.</p>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole issue is a sad commentary on the rise of class warfare over the last 6yrs or so and the unintended consequences of voter apathy.  

The Colts are the low hanging fruit because of their high profile and the (legally binding) contract they have with the CIB.  Unfortunately, I have yet to see any traction regarding culpability for the NCAA and the design concessions they required from the CIB for the new stadium in exchange for guaranteeing national events will be hosted here at Lucas Oil.  Why isn&#039;t there a call for the NCAA to participate since they have an abatement for their current facilities and helped set the scope of design for Lucas Oil via their requirements?  The NCAA, which is allegedly a non-profit entity, recently signed a multi-billion deal with CBS for the rights to the Final Four; why can&#039;t they give up $5million a year to help the CIB?  Again, this smacks of class warfare to me in that public outrage is directed at the (currently solvent) rich professional sports team in the community.  As an aside, why hasn&#039;t there been more media traction and outrage about the Simons and their $400 million cost to the city as printed in the IBJ last week?

If our citizens would have paid attention to the issues and voted en masse rather than sitting at home and complaining the last couple of decades, it&#039;s reasonable to assume most of the tax/spend mess that our governments and their appointees have put us in would have been different.  Unfortunately, until people start thinking that staying informed about the government they elected is more important than unwinding in front of the TV, we&#039;ll continue to have this kind of inept (and semi-criminal) government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole issue is a sad commentary on the rise of class warfare over the last 6yrs or so and the unintended consequences of voter apathy.  </p>
<p>The Colts are the low hanging fruit because of their high profile and the (legally binding) contract they have with the CIB.  Unfortunately, I have yet to see any traction regarding culpability for the NCAA and the design concessions they required from the CIB for the new stadium in exchange for guaranteeing national events will be hosted here at Lucas Oil.  Why isn&#8217;t there a call for the NCAA to participate since they have an abatement for their current facilities and helped set the scope of design for Lucas Oil via their requirements?  The NCAA, which is allegedly a non-profit entity, recently signed a multi-billion deal with CBS for the rights to the Final Four; why can&#8217;t they give up $5million a year to help the CIB?  Again, this smacks of class warfare to me in that public outrage is directed at the (currently solvent) rich professional sports team in the community.  As an aside, why hasn&#8217;t there been more media traction and outrage about the Simons and their $400 million cost to the city as printed in the IBJ last week?</p>
<p>If our citizens would have paid attention to the issues and voted en masse rather than sitting at home and complaining the last couple of decades, it&#8217;s reasonable to assume most of the tax/spend mess that our governments and their appointees have put us in would have been different.  Unfortunately, until people start thinking that staying informed about the government they elected is more important than unwinding in front of the TV, we&#8217;ll continue to have this kind of inept (and semi-criminal) government.</p>
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