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	<title>Comments on: Says a Lot, Doesn&#8217;t It?</title>
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		<title>By: Jacob Perry</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/03/says_a_lot_doesnt_it.html/comment-page-1#comment-21233</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You people need to develop a sense of humor, holy crap.

Abdul, since we are both &quot;liars&quot; for posting this hilarious piece of satire (as Paul correctly pointed out), than I&#039;m proud to be in your company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people need to develop a sense of humor, holy crap.</p>
<p>Abdul, since we are both &#8220;liars&#8221; for posting this hilarious piece of satire (as Paul correctly pointed out), than I&#8217;m proud to be in your company.</p>
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		<title>By: Rico</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/03/says_a_lot_doesnt_it.html/comment-page-1#comment-21113</link>
		<dc:creator>Rico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 04:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you seriously asking how many &#039;clueless&#039; Americans there are?  Didn&#039;t the American public just choose Barack Obama as our president?
This is nothing like the Hustler case.  That case was about Falwell&#039;s emotional distress caused by the ad in Hustler. Also, it was far more clear that the Hustler cartoon was satire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you seriously asking how many &#8216;clueless&#8217; Americans there are?  Didn&#8217;t the American public just choose Barack Obama as our president?<br />
This is nothing like the Hustler case.  That case was about Falwell&#8217;s emotional distress caused by the ad in Hustler. Also, it was far more clear that the Hustler cartoon was satire.</p>
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		<title>By: pascal</title>
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		<dc:creator>pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike our national media I think it is fair to say the consensus here is that the UAW does not make crappy cars nor do the managers of the various auto companies.  Those of us with some age can recall rustbuckets not even getting to 50,000 miles. That said, in my view they still cost too much.  The labor saving capital utilized in auto plants has no other use and a better system would have used more labor compensated fairly.  The result of a bad system is overpriced cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike our national media I think it is fair to say the consensus here is that the UAW does not make crappy cars nor do the managers of the various auto companies.  Those of us with some age can recall rustbuckets not even getting to 50,000 miles. That said, in my view they still cost too much.  The labor saving capital utilized in auto plants has no other use and a better system would have used more labor compensated fairly.  The result of a bad system is overpriced cars.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul K. Ogden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul K. Ogden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rico,

How many people do you think would look at that ad and really, truly believe it was an actual ad put out by the big 3?  Only someone who was extremely clueless.  No, the person didn&#039;t put a big label &quot;SATIRE&quot; on it but from the content alone anyone with half a brain would know it&#039;s a joke.

When you&#039;re talking about the issue of &quot;emotional damages&quot; you&#039;re talking about the damage phase.  You don&#039;t even get to the damage phase, because there is no legally actionable wrong which you first have to have..  This is a lot like the Hustler case in that they both concerned satirical work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rico,</p>
<p>How many people do you think would look at that ad and really, truly believe it was an actual ad put out by the big 3?  Only someone who was extremely clueless.  No, the person didn&#8217;t put a big label &#8220;SATIRE&#8221; on it but from the content alone anyone with half a brain would know it&#8217;s a joke.</p>
<p>When you&#8217;re talking about the issue of &#8220;emotional damages&#8221; you&#8217;re talking about the damage phase.  You don&#8217;t even get to the damage phase, because there is no legally actionable wrong which you first have to have..  This is a lot like the Hustler case in that they both concerned satirical work.</p>
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		<title>By: Taxpayer 834512</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taxpayer 834512</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 19:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we don&#039;t ever say, &quot;No&quot;, to anything, and spend billions and trillions to try to assure soft landings for everything and everybody,  how much longer can this go on?  As Matt Tulley recently quoted from an email to him about Pacer ownership, &quot;Aren&#039;t they supposed to be free enterprise?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we don&#8217;t ever say, &#8220;No&#8221;, to anything, and spend billions and trillions to try to assure soft landings for everything and everybody,  how much longer can this go on?  As Matt Tulley recently quoted from an email to him about Pacer ownership, &#8220;Aren&#8217;t they supposed to be free enterprise?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rico</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2009/03/says_a_lot_doesnt_it.html/comment-page-1#comment-21099</link>
		<dc:creator>Rico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Think Again.  I believe I forgot a few commas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Think Again.  I believe I forgot a few commas.</p>
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		<title>By: Rico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m no lawyer Paul, but I think the conditions required for a case of libel could be proved.  In the first place, the ad is not ‘clearly’ satire.  It is done very professionally and uses the companies’ actual logos, while portraying the ad as their actual position.  Second, at such a time when the national scorn of the Auto industry has reached new heights, it wouldn’t be difficult to show malicious intent. Third,  at a time of unprecedented financial crisis facing the auto industry it wouldn’t be difficult to demonstrate the invariable financial damage caused by the ad.

First Amendment satire cases heard by he Supreme Court (Hustler v  Falwell) all dealt with  emotional distress issues involving embarrassed celebrities.  I don’t believe this case would be viewed the same. But what the hell do I know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m no lawyer Paul, but I think the conditions required for a case of libel could be proved.  In the first place, the ad is not ‘clearly’ satire.  It is done very professionally and uses the companies’ actual logos, while portraying the ad as their actual position.  Second, at such a time when the national scorn of the Auto industry has reached new heights, it wouldn’t be difficult to show malicious intent. Third,  at a time of unprecedented financial crisis facing the auto industry it wouldn’t be difficult to demonstrate the invariable financial damage caused by the ad.</p>
<p>First Amendment satire cases heard by he Supreme Court (Hustler v  Falwell) all dealt with  emotional distress issues involving embarrassed celebrities.  I don’t believe this case would be viewed the same. But what the hell do I know?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul K. Ogden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul K. Ogden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rico,

Satire, which the ad clearly is, is protected by the First Amendment.  It is evident from the content that this isn&#039;t an actual ad from the Ford, GM, Chrysler, so no intent to mislead either.

The ad is no different thatn SNL mocking the Big Three or some other company on its show.

The ad is certainly not libelous.  It&#039;s also funny as hell.  I wish whoever created it was given credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rico,</p>
<p>Satire, which the ad clearly is, is protected by the First Amendment.  It is evident from the content that this isn&#8217;t an actual ad from the Ford, GM, Chrysler, so no intent to mislead either.</p>
<p>The ad is no different thatn SNL mocking the Big Three or some other company on its show.</p>
<p>The ad is certainly not libelous.  It&#8217;s also funny as hell.  I wish whoever created it was given credit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 06:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ford FTW. I always liked Ford, but my Ranger sucked. They will be my first visit next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ford FTW. I always liked Ford, but my Ranger sucked. They will be my first visit next time.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Nobody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous Nobody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ford is NOT taking the money. Cuz da Feds ask too many questions.

And remember - Chrysler is now owned by bankers, not automotive people. Need I say more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ford is NOT taking the money. Cuz da Feds ask too many questions.</p>
<p>And remember &#8211; Chrysler is now owned by bankers, not automotive people. Need I say more.</p>
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