Comments on: Bailout and Switch

By: Shorebreak

Shorebreak — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:25:28 +0000

Rico – there’s not enough room here to debate the dynamics of the left/right illusion, but I can at least raise the subject so that you can consider it. At it’s historic root, the left/right dynamic began in French government, where those who supported financial and industrial control of government were on the right, and those who supported control by the people were on the left.
.
If we skip past the book that should come next to explain how the current left/right dynamic arrived in todays US politics, when you compare the meaning of left/right form it’s original definition, and the left/right that we have now in Congress, we’re talking about two completely different animals.
.
What we have now is support for corporate leadership on the left, and support for corporate leadership on the right. Different kinds of support at times, but neither are for the people. When it comes to representative government – the will of the people, per se, the left has left the building. There is only two rights. One coin – two faces.
.
And that, my friend, is a free gift from me to you to help you look at our situation from reality, rather than based upon the perception emitted by talk radio and cable news.

By: Rico

Rico — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:24:00 +0000

I realize that, Melyssa. If one were to believe the media (and the Dem leadership), however, one would conclude that the blame lies squarely and solely at the feet of Bush.

There is plenty of blame to go around. If the MSM had an ounce of credibility and simply reported the facts, the American public would realize who the real perpetrators of this crisis are. It is not partisan to recognize reality. Those on the wrong side of this issue are overwhelmingly from the left side of the aisle.
I am no apologist for the GOP. In fact, I’m fed up with nearly all of them.

By: Melyssa

Melyssa — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:46:44 +0000

Rico…Shorebreak is right. The GOP and the Democrats are both complicit in the mess.

By: Rico

Rico — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:07:09 +0000

I know, Shorebreak, corporate cabal, blah, blah,blah.
Of course, some blame lies with Bush. Nowhere did I hear him say, however, that there would be no oversight of these programs. In fact, I pointed to many instances in the years following those comments where the administration called for some oversight. Perhaps he didn’t realize how such programs would be abused and mismanaged. It is the dems(Nancy Pelosi and The Messiah leading way)who blamed Bush and the GOP. Yet the parties chiefly responsible for propping these companies up are now charged with fixing the problem. Where is the blame for Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, et al?

Your tin foil hat must be a little tight today. You seem a bit cranky.

By: Tom

Tom — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:46:44 +0000

Oh, I know. There are plenty of things I did not like that Clinton either pushed or went along with, often opposing his party’s consensus. NAFTA has been a catastrophe from the workers’ standpoint, for example. Remember though, he did not have the luxury of a cooperative congress. I am sure I will not be entirely in agreement with Obama, either. The Reagan & Gingrich Republicans spent a lot of time convincing the New Democrats that it was a good thing to balance the budget. Clinton produced surpluses and I admire him for it. The Republicans of course switched positions on a dime as soon as it was to their benefit for their neocon oil wars and unnecessary tax cuts for the superich. And now, eight years later, we have a $12,000,000,000,000 debt. Pass me the bottle, Shorebreak, it’s going to be a painful recovery.

By: Shorebreak

Shorebreak — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:34:08 +0000

Tom – pour some of that whiskey over this before you start sipping – you’ll need it:
.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/11/12/banking.reform/index.html
.
The Dems are no less responsible than the GOP for this planned catastrophe. The regular outcasts and detractors (outcast by corporate media and traitorous politicians – detractors because they’re not afraid to speak the truth)were correct in their criticism back then, just as they are today.

By: Tom

Tom — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:08:48 +0000

Let’s see Rico…April 2001 – May 2008. Who was totally in charge for the first five of those years? Oh yeah, the Republicans. Talk is cheap but money buys whiskey. Looking forward to the Obama Recovery?

By: Shorebreak

Shorebreak — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:15:16 +0000

Rico – are you on crack? Seriously. You’re not making a gram of sense.
.
I linked you to Bush actually stating that he is removing restrictions, in order to allow high risk loan applicants qualify for mortgages. From the horses mouth – I gave you the recording to listen to. Everyone else reading this can link to the very same thing. Yet you say to me:
.
“Are you now, like Think Again, telling us to not believe what we actually here?”
.
Your response makes no sense whatsoever. None. I gave you something specific to hear. It is short, succinct, to the point, and irrefutable.
.
Clearly, YOU are the one who refuses to believe what you here.
.
Put the pipe down, step away from your partisan bias, and realize that we’ve been screwed by the Redemopublicratican Party. Or, you can continue to play their game of “he said/she said” until we’re all destitute. The choice is yours, bro.

By: Rico

Rico — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:36:55 +0000

Much of what I cited above were the President’s actual words, Shore Break. No vague conspiracy theories here, just reality.
Just like Barney Frank’s actual words proclaiming the financial strength and stability of Fannie and Freddie a few years back. Are you now, like Think Again, telling us to not believe what we actually here? The American public ignored Barack Obama’s actual words and voted for him anyway. Words do mean things to some of us.
Can we now expect a reiteration of your contention that both candidates would have been equally bad for this country? Nothing could be further from the truth.

By: Melyssa

Melyssa — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:58:36 +0000

Shorebreak,not only are certificates bad, but it is best to own the gold in collectible coins which are harder to confiscate!
.
I believe the REAL prices of gold are reflective on eBay. Recently gold was selling as high as $1100 an ounce for Krugerrands, Gold Eagles, Canadian Maples, Chinese Pandas, etc. Prices are higher for 1/10th and 1/4 ounce coins, which aren’t available from the mints anymore. I understand South Africa has also stopped production.