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		<title>By: Demand Accountability</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/07/just_thinking.html/comment-page-1#comment-11945</link>
		<dc:creator>Demand Accountability</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bootstrapper and Everyone Else:
I am, myself, a bootstrapper.  My parents came to this country with literally $7.00 in their pockets, not knowing the language or 
the &#039;system&quot;.  My parents worked hard.  I worked hard.  I always had some plan to earn money, and found a regular paycheck paying job, at the first legal age I could.  At the age of 14, I already had a plan as to how I would get through college, even if it took 10 years.  I ended up receiving a full academic merit scholarship.  Life taught me a lot of hard lessons along the way.  My married life has afforded me a life of prosperity.  My comfortable life has allowed me the opportunity to offer my time and talents to others.  I have served many years in urban ministry related issues.  I try to make a positive impact on individual lives wherever and whenever I have the opportunity.  Is it discouraging to observe people wallowing in their undproductive lives, squandering their time here on earth?  Of course.  But if I can make a difference in just one life...I now have the opportunity to serve the community at a different level-as an elected official.  I am grateful for the opportunity to serve at this level.  I am doing all I can to meet and know the people whose hands I have been getting out there to shake, AFTER the election.  I am a realist, but I refuse to be as pessimistic as you about the human condition and what measures can be taken to improve it.  If you want to talk, I&#039;ll be happy to hand you one of the hot dogs I load onto a hot grill on a 90 plus degree day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bootstrapper and Everyone Else:<br />
I am, myself, a bootstrapper.  My parents came to this country with literally $7.00 in their pockets, not knowing the language or<br />
the &#8217;system&#8221;.  My parents worked hard.  I worked hard.  I always had some plan to earn money, and found a regular paycheck paying job, at the first legal age I could.  At the age of 14, I already had a plan as to how I would get through college, even if it took 10 years.  I ended up receiving a full academic merit scholarship.  Life taught me a lot of hard lessons along the way.  My married life has afforded me a life of prosperity.  My comfortable life has allowed me the opportunity to offer my time and talents to others.  I have served many years in urban ministry related issues.  I try to make a positive impact on individual lives wherever and whenever I have the opportunity.  Is it discouraging to observe people wallowing in their undproductive lives, squandering their time here on earth?  Of course.  But if I can make a difference in just one life&#8230;I now have the opportunity to serve the community at a different level-as an elected official.  I am grateful for the opportunity to serve at this level.  I am doing all I can to meet and know the people whose hands I have been getting out there to shake, AFTER the election.  I am a realist, but I refuse to be as pessimistic as you about the human condition and what measures can be taken to improve it.  If you want to talk, I&#8217;ll be happy to hand you one of the hot dogs I load onto a hot grill on a 90 plus degree day.</p>
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		<title>By: IndyArmyVet</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/07/just_thinking.html/comment-page-1#comment-11867</link>
		<dc:creator>IndyArmyVet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, if we were to take REAL action against crime in the city, the NAACP and other groups would sue everyone they could because it would appear they were profiling or targeting specific groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, if we were to take REAL action against crime in the city, the NAACP and other groups would sue everyone they could because it would appear they were profiling or targeting specific groups.</p>
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		<title>By: MissouriDemocrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>MissouriDemocrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perfectly healthy looking tatooed up kids with kids standing in line for food stamps or ssi because the child was brain damaged due to the mothers drug abuse during pregnancy....  who think the government and everyone else owe them a living and a good one at that... that is the generation I see sitting here ready to inherit the nation.  Scared is not a strong enough word for how I feel about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perfectly healthy looking tatooed up kids with kids standing in line for food stamps or ssi because the child was brain damaged due to the mothers drug abuse during pregnancy&#8230;.  who think the government and everyone else owe them a living and a good one at that&#8230; that is the generation I see sitting here ready to inherit the nation.  Scared is not a strong enough word for how I feel about it.</p>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/07/just_thinking.html/comment-page-1#comment-11843</link>
		<dc:creator>JW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry,
Why is it that one of the first comments out of male WASPs during discussions of race usually involve affirmative action?  Did it hold you back from a promotion or something?  I wasn&#039;t talking about AA at all, just that at some point you have to realize that you can&#039;t reach those who don&#039;t want to be reached or included.  I&#039;m not in favor of more AA, nor was I just talking about blacks.  What I&#039;m advocating is cutting our losses and moving on as a society; lock &#039;em up, don&#039;t hire &#039;em and discourage mainstream/high-end development in those areas which seem to support, whether implicitly or explicitly, this crap.  At some point those segments of society that disdain mainstream America will figure out that they&#039;ve been left behind in a de facto 2nd class citizenship and do whatever it takes to join the rest of us in the mainstream.  It may take a couple decades or generations to settle out, but I think it will happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry,<br />
Why is it that one of the first comments out of male WASPs during discussions of race usually involve affirmative action?  Did it hold you back from a promotion or something?  I wasn&#8217;t talking about AA at all, just that at some point you have to realize that you can&#8217;t reach those who don&#8217;t want to be reached or included.  I&#8217;m not in favor of more AA, nor was I just talking about blacks.  What I&#8217;m advocating is cutting our losses and moving on as a society; lock &#8216;em up, don&#8217;t hire &#8216;em and discourage mainstream/high-end development in those areas which seem to support, whether implicitly or explicitly, this crap.  At some point those segments of society that disdain mainstream America will figure out that they&#8217;ve been left behind in a de facto 2nd class citizenship and do whatever it takes to join the rest of us in the mainstream.  It may take a couple decades or generations to settle out, but I think it will happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Moneyguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moneyguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok everybody stop crying someone got some money! Geez at least it wasn&#039;t a blank check like the ex mayor Bart used to give out. I have never met Olgen William or his family but if I get time I will try to read the book &quot;Healing the Hood&quot; I assume by him or his dad not sure. Amazon has one review by some guy out in Oregon and it&#039;s a five star! Apparently he was the Director of Christamore House and has done some amazing things in that ministry. I believe Major Ballard picked the right guy for the job. Fixing the problems in the inner city is not for the faint hearted! Let me tell you some of these people can&#039;t be fixed. Alcohol and drugs (don&#039;t get me started on prescription medicine) can seriously mess with a person well (boy that&#039;s putting it lightly) being. If Ballard is smart he would rally all of the church&#039;s inner and outer city to the cause. The funny thing is he really doesn&#039;t have to do that because the churches are already there and they are fighting the battles daily. Just open your eyes and you will see Christians, Catholics, Methodists, Muslims and all of the other denominations in the inner city daily taking care of the less fortunate. The humorous thing is it is usually the so called less fortunate that are doing God&#039;s work. Well the rest of us go about our daily life they toil daily to make our life and our neighbors life just a little bit better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok everybody stop crying someone got some money! Geez at least it wasn&#8217;t a blank check like the ex mayor Bart used to give out. I have never met Olgen William or his family but if I get time I will try to read the book &#8220;Healing the Hood&#8221; I assume by him or his dad not sure. Amazon has one review by some guy out in Oregon and it&#8217;s a five star! Apparently he was the Director of Christamore House and has done some amazing things in that ministry. I believe Major Ballard picked the right guy for the job. Fixing the problems in the inner city is not for the faint hearted! Let me tell you some of these people can&#8217;t be fixed. Alcohol and drugs (don&#8217;t get me started on prescription medicine) can seriously mess with a person well (boy that&#8217;s putting it lightly) being. If Ballard is smart he would rally all of the church&#8217;s inner and outer city to the cause. The funny thing is he really doesn&#8217;t have to do that because the churches are already there and they are fighting the battles daily. Just open your eyes and you will see Christians, Catholics, Methodists, Muslims and all of the other denominations in the inner city daily taking care of the less fortunate. The humorous thing is it is usually the so called less fortunate that are doing God&#8217;s work. Well the rest of us go about our daily life they toil daily to make our life and our neighbors life just a little bit better!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bootstapper! I absolutely agree with you! It is about time that an intelligent voice was heard in our community. Beats the hell out of stupid slogans like &quot;Peace in the Streets&quot; avocated by a bunch of prostitute ministers and the Olgen Williams Family (Bought and Paid for spokespersons for Corporate America)
Hot Dogs anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bootstapper! I absolutely agree with you! It is about time that an intelligent voice was heard in our community. Beats the hell out of stupid slogans like &#8220;Peace in the Streets&#8221; avocated by a bunch of prostitute ministers and the Olgen Williams Family (Bought and Paid for spokespersons for Corporate America)<br />
Hot Dogs anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Bootstrapper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bootstrapper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Demand accountability:

You said &quot;that the hot dogs and rallies bring people out of their homes to where leaders in the community who care and want to serve, can meet them and let them know where to access the role models they so desperately need.&quot; 

RESPONSE:  For starters, the role models are Olgin Williams and his children.  See #40 comment by Think Again.

Next, the role models you suggests are NOT at those rallys and those rallys are NOT the proper place for the proper role models to influence the behavior of those who violate the peace in the streets.  Those in attendance are politicians politicking, paid by grants &amp; awards jack-legged preachers, law enforcement officials, city employees and Olgin Williams many, many children--they are not the most effective role models needed for the people we are trying to reach.  

The problem in this city is we think we can raise the inner city children instead of raising the inner city parents up.  The City of Indianapolis diversity initiatives have skipped a generation of black adults who are in their 30&#039;s to 50&#039;s--Adults who are educated, street smart, ambitious and who truly have a passion for the community but who have been neglected.  We&#039;ve intead focused on the past 20 years or so on annual segregrated events to prove we treat our blacks fairly without realizing how concentrating our diversity inititaives into such programs caused us to neglect other initiatives spearheaded by this generation of blacks. This has left them negative and without hope and caused some to use their ambition, intelligence and street smarts to commit blue and white collare crimes. Their children then suffered and are now the ones killing without emotion, stealing and selling dope.  These are the  children we are now trying to raise with the Peace in the Streets, a failed program for 4 years now.  

We&#039;ve been perpetuating a fraud, with visions of phoney success and phoney outreach packaged in slick 4-color flyers and corporate brochures and phoney diversity celebrations. Its so easy to continue this because it so much FUN!  Blacks like to party right, so lets just give them what they want.  Blacks want to be socially accepted by whites right. So we&#039;ll invite them to a black or diversity function.

We MUST be better parents/leaders to our constituents and just say we CAN&#039;T PARTY RIGHT NOW!  The singing and dancing must stop and the work must begin. 

Peace in the Streets is just a party for the children of the parents who we&#039;ve neglected by having corporate america and every other institution in the state focus on annual diversity events.  Our FOCUS should be on the lost black generation in Indianapolis--the parents, women, business owners and professionals 365 days a year by teaching them how to bootstrap themselves or giving them the tools to spread their passion and mission, then THEY will be daily role models for their children, family and neighborhood.  These individuals are NOT at the Peace in the Streets Rally because they were not allowed to help shape the inititative into one that is effective. They are NOT going to waste their time hanging in the streets with no structure. 

Finally, the role models these kids need are those who have bootstrapped themselves from the same streets we are trying to clean-up.  Not those from the streets who make a living off the government dole and have hitched another ride to a new mayor who is naive to the &#039;hood&#039;.   

Sorry to be so blunt, but we&#039;ve got to stop the non-sense!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Demand accountability:</p>
<p>You said &#8220;that the hot dogs and rallies bring people out of their homes to where leaders in the community who care and want to serve, can meet them and let them know where to access the role models they so desperately need.&#8221; </p>
<p>RESPONSE:  For starters, the role models are Olgin Williams and his children.  See #40 comment by Think Again.</p>
<p>Next, the role models you suggests are NOT at those rallys and those rallys are NOT the proper place for the proper role models to influence the behavior of those who violate the peace in the streets.  Those in attendance are politicians politicking, paid by grants &amp; awards jack-legged preachers, law enforcement officials, city employees and Olgin Williams many, many children&#8211;they are not the most effective role models needed for the people we are trying to reach.  </p>
<p>The problem in this city is we think we can raise the inner city children instead of raising the inner city parents up.  The City of Indianapolis diversity initiatives have skipped a generation of black adults who are in their 30&#8217;s to 50&#8217;s&#8211;Adults who are educated, street smart, ambitious and who truly have a passion for the community but who have been neglected.  We&#8217;ve intead focused on the past 20 years or so on annual segregrated events to prove we treat our blacks fairly without realizing how concentrating our diversity inititaives into such programs caused us to neglect other initiatives spearheaded by this generation of blacks. This has left them negative and without hope and caused some to use their ambition, intelligence and street smarts to commit blue and white collare crimes. Their children then suffered and are now the ones killing without emotion, stealing and selling dope.  These are the  children we are now trying to raise with the Peace in the Streets, a failed program for 4 years now.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been perpetuating a fraud, with visions of phoney success and phoney outreach packaged in slick 4-color flyers and corporate brochures and phoney diversity celebrations. Its so easy to continue this because it so much FUN!  Blacks like to party right, so lets just give them what they want.  Blacks want to be socially accepted by whites right. So we&#8217;ll invite them to a black or diversity function.</p>
<p>We MUST be better parents/leaders to our constituents and just say we CAN&#8217;T PARTY RIGHT NOW!  The singing and dancing must stop and the work must begin. </p>
<p>Peace in the Streets is just a party for the children of the parents who we&#8217;ve neglected by having corporate america and every other institution in the state focus on annual diversity events.  Our FOCUS should be on the lost black generation in Indianapolis&#8211;the parents, women, business owners and professionals 365 days a year by teaching them how to bootstrap themselves or giving them the tools to spread their passion and mission, then THEY will be daily role models for their children, family and neighborhood.  These individuals are NOT at the Peace in the Streets Rally because they were not allowed to help shape the inititative into one that is effective. They are NOT going to waste their time hanging in the streets with no structure. </p>
<p>Finally, the role models these kids need are those who have bootstrapped themselves from the same streets we are trying to clean-up.  Not those from the streets who make a living off the government dole and have hitched another ride to a new mayor who is naive to the &#8216;hood&#8217;.   </p>
<p>Sorry to be so blunt, but we&#8217;ve got to stop the non-sense!</p>
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		<title>By: Taxpayer 834512</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taxpayer 834512</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upon looking up &quot;platitude&quot;, as in &quot;tired old platitudes&quot;, I got a cross-reference:  see Andre &quot;The Seed&quot; Carson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upon looking up &#8220;platitude&#8221;, as in &#8220;tired old platitudes&#8221;, I got a cross-reference:  see Andre &#8220;The Seed&#8221; Carson</p>
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		<title>By: Think Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Think Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the first time I&#039;ve seen anything posted about mumbling stumbling Olgen Williams and his son on the city payroll.

Believe me, both are.  And neither is up to the job. By a long damned shot.

At least I think so, judging by their public statements.  They both talk like their mouth is full or marbles.

And they repeat tired old platitudes better than Rev. Jackson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first time I&#8217;ve seen anything posted about mumbling stumbling Olgen Williams and his son on the city payroll.</p>
<p>Believe me, both are.  And neither is up to the job. By a long damned shot.</p>
<p>At least I think so, judging by their public statements.  They both talk like their mouth is full or marbles.</p>
<p>And they repeat tired old platitudes better than Rev. Jackson.</p>
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		<title>By: Moneyguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moneyguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow 38 comments! Do you think Abdul should think more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow 38 comments! Do you think Abdul should think more!</p>
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