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	<title>Comments on: Fixing Frank&#8217;s Follies</title>
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		<title>By: Robert-NW Side</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/07/fixing_franks_follies.html#comment-12006</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert-NW Side</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Undoubtedly some think that the Second Amendment is outmoded in a society where our STANDING ARMY is the pride of our Nation, where well-trained police forces provide PERSONAL SECURITY, and where gun violence is a serious problem."  Justice Antonin Scalia, Heller v DC
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Apparently, Justice Scalia has forgotten that police (and government) have NO DUTY TO PROTECT YOU.  As evidence, I offer the following article from the New York Times, 28 June 2005:
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html
Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone
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WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.
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The decision, with an OPINION BY JUSTICE ANTONIN SCALIA and dissents from Justices John Paul Stevens and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, overturned a ruling by a federal appeals court in Colorado. The appeals court had permitted a lawsuit to proceed against a Colorado town, Castle Rock, for the failure of the police to respond to a woman's pleas for help after her estranged husband violated a protective order by kidnapping their three young daughters, whom he eventually killed.
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One could wish for some consistency and clarity from SCOTUS.
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YOU are responsible for your own safety -- not Government.  The tools to protect yourself, your family and property are available to you.
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See U.S. Constitution, Second Amendment and Indiana Constitution, Article 1 Section 32.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Undoubtedly some think that the Second Amendment is outmoded in a society where our STANDING ARMY is the pride of our Nation, where well-trained police forces provide PERSONAL SECURITY, and where gun violence is a serious problem.&#8221;  Justice Antonin Scalia, Heller v DC<br />
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Apparently, Justice Scalia has forgotten that police (and government) have NO DUTY TO PROTECT YOU.  As evidence, I offer the following article from the New York Times, 28 June 2005:<br />
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<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html</a><br />
Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone<br />
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WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.<br />
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The decision, with an OPINION BY JUSTICE ANTONIN SCALIA and dissents from Justices John Paul Stevens and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, overturned a ruling by a federal appeals court in Colorado. The appeals court had permitted a lawsuit to proceed against a Colorado town, Castle Rock, for the failure of the police to respond to a woman&#8217;s pleas for help after her estranged husband violated a protective order by kidnapping their three young daughters, whom he eventually killed.<br />
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One could wish for some consistency and clarity from SCOTUS.<br />
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YOU are responsible for your own safety &#8212; not Government.  The tools to protect yourself, your family and property are available to you.<br />
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See U.S. Constitution, Second Amendment and Indiana Constitution, Article 1 Section 32.</p>
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		<title>By: Pine Rider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pine Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the mayor's office has explained to me that Director Newman divested himself of his DNA Testing business upon taking his current position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the mayor&#8217;s office has explained to me that Director Newman divested himself of his DNA Testing business upon taking his current position.</p>
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		<title>By: IRoc</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/07/fixing_franks_follies.html#comment-11981</link>
		<dc:creator>IRoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, corrupt police departments use polygraphs to get rid of or discredit those who are honest and keep those who are liars.  

A lot of clean-up is needed and I pity those who were fired for failing a polygraph who were really telling the truth. 

I never recommend a civilian take a polygraph with the police department, the results will be what the department wants it to be. I was a victim of a law enforcement agency years ago.  An officer was visiting my home and stole $1300 in cash I'd just received from income taxes.  I filed a complaint and took a polygraph as to the truth that I had the money.  The results were that I was lying.  There was no MO for me to make such an allegation other than the fact that I DID have the money and it was missing after the officer left.

I do believe polygraphs should be given to employees. I think the integrity of the tests is in question and I think individuals should have the right to an independent examination by a polygrapher or to have their own polygrapher present during the examination to make their own independant analysis and that results should be submitted to an independent committee if they are inconsistent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, corrupt police departments use polygraphs to get rid of or discredit those who are honest and keep those who are liars.  </p>
<p>A lot of clean-up is needed and I pity those who were fired for failing a polygraph who were really telling the truth. </p>
<p>I never recommend a civilian take a polygraph with the police department, the results will be what the department wants it to be. I was a victim of a law enforcement agency years ago.  An officer was visiting my home and stole $1300 in cash I&#8217;d just received from income taxes.  I filed a complaint and took a polygraph as to the truth that I had the money.  The results were that I was lying.  There was no MO for me to make such an allegation other than the fact that I DID have the money and it was missing after the officer left.</p>
<p>I do believe polygraphs should be given to employees. I think the integrity of the tests is in question and I think individuals should have the right to an independent examination by a polygrapher or to have their own polygrapher present during the examination to make their own independant analysis and that results should be submitted to an independent committee if they are inconsistent.</p>
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		<title>By: guy77money</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/07/fixing_franks_follies.html#comment-11966</link>
		<dc:creator>guy77money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opps it gets left in there automatically. Just deleted it. Hmm got to get me a blog so I can add a website. May come to the web conference if I can pencil in the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opps it gets left in there automatically. Just deleted it. Hmm got to get me a blog so I can add a website. May come to the web conference if I can pencil in the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Moneyguy</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/07/fixing_franks_follies.html#comment-11965</link>
		<dc:creator>Moneyguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok sorry I don't have a website so I will stop doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok sorry I don&#8217;t have a website so I will stop doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Indiana Barrister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indiana Barrister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 04:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>guy77money - please don't include a fake website address with your comments. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>guy77money - please don&#8217;t include a fake website address with your comments. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: guy77money</title>
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		<dc:creator>guy77money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn't cool when you know your in a room with some very intelligent people. - moneyguy 2008</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t cool when you know your in a room with some very intelligent people. - moneyguy 2008</p>
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		<title>By: guy77money</title>
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		<dc:creator>guy77money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Veritas I suspected there was a back log. There is a ex judge from Franklin Twsp that is also a partner in the company. I have a friend whose daughter was working for IPD. I got the impression that IPD had their own forensic labatory. Does IUPUI get involved? Just trolling. 
When I was 18 my father knew nothing, when I turned 21 I was amazed what he had learned in 3 years! - Mark Twain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Veritas I suspected there was a back log. There is a ex judge from Franklin Twsp that is also a partner in the company. I have a friend whose daughter was working for IPD. I got the impression that IPD had their own forensic labatory. Does IUPUI get involved? Just trolling.<br />
When I was 18 my father knew nothing, when I turned 21 I was amazed what he had learned in 3 years! - Mark Twain</p>
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		<title>By: Veritas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may be wrong-but I believe Newman disinvested himself from his lab when he accepted his new position with the city.
All DNA labs are experiencing tremendous backlogs. This stems from not being able to recruit enough DNA trained, certified lab technicians.  There is a constant struggle to recruit technicallly certified individuals.  They are scarce and come with high salary price tags. 
 Some of the backlogs are incurred because of the nature of DNA testing itself.  The processing and producing of accurate results is not something that can be accomplished in a short time period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be wrong-but I believe Newman disinvested himself from his lab when he accepted his new position with the city.<br />
All DNA labs are experiencing tremendous backlogs. This stems from not being able to recruit enough DNA trained, certified lab technicians.  There is a constant struggle to recruit technicallly certified individuals.  They are scarce and come with high salary price tags.<br />
 Some of the backlogs are incurred because of the nature of DNA testing itself.  The processing and producing of accurate results is not something that can be accomplished in a short time period.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask spears why these guys passed several polygraphs  in the past? why the department under spears' control used the polygraph (ran by their own officer) to move detectives by "failing" them. now that those officers were cleared by real investigative tools they have a huge settlement that's gonna cost the city (taxpayers), hundreds of thousands of dollars. polygraphs are proven ineffective. they work as a scare tactic that helps elicit a confession. they can also help prove statements or evidence. they should never be used solely to judge any one. up to 20% of the population are untestable anyway. because they are too nervous or pathological liars.

Two former detectives have a mediation with the city coming up with the trial scheduled in august in federal court.  Spears, Foley, and Swarm should have to foot the bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ask spears why these guys passed several polygraphs  in the past? why the department under spears&#8217; control used the polygraph (ran by their own officer) to move detectives by &#8220;failing&#8221; them. now that those officers were cleared by real investigative tools they have a huge settlement that&#8217;s gonna cost the city (taxpayers), hundreds of thousands of dollars. polygraphs are proven ineffective. they work as a scare tactic that helps elicit a confession. they can also help prove statements or evidence. they should never be used solely to judge any one. up to 20% of the population are untestable anyway. because they are too nervous or pathological liars.</p>
<p>Two former detectives have a mediation with the city coming up with the trial scheduled in august in federal court.  Spears, Foley, and Swarm should have to foot the bill.</p>
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