Comments on: Crime Beat http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/07/crime_beat.html Indiana Barrister is the source for local Indianapolis and Indiana news, politics and commentary. Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:30:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Indycop http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/07/crime_beat.html#comment-12206 Indycop Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:21:12 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/?p=1295#comment-12206 Food for thought: 'Constitutionally' speaking in the grand scheme of law is a very narrow set of provisions. Officers are routinely disciplined, fired, sued, lose their homes, etc. when they are found negligent in circumstances involving injury. I can't think of any specific cases off the top of my head, but it wouldn't be difficult for an officer to be charged with a crime in a given situation if he/she is found negligent in her duty. The phrase used here is "acting beyond or out of the scope of employment." Once you can establish that you've already found your way around the case law you mentioned. Regardless of the fact, there aren't police officers in every home and on every street corner and there never will be. Policing is the one profession where people get paid to do what is incumbent upon every (good) citizen to do. We aren't directly and completely responsible for crime rates going up anymore than we are for them going down. Clearance rates for specific crimes are an indicator, but when people only do 3 or 4 years for murder in Marion County it really doesn't matter how often you catch them if you're just going to release them anyway... Food for thought:

‘Constitutionally’ speaking in the grand scheme of law is a very narrow set of provisions. Officers are routinely disciplined, fired, sued, lose their homes, etc. when they are found negligent in circumstances involving injury. I can’t think of any specific cases off the top of my head, but it wouldn’t be difficult for an officer to be charged with a crime in a given situation if he/she is found negligent in her duty. The phrase used here is “acting beyond or out of the scope of employment.” Once you can establish that you’ve already found your way around the case law you mentioned.

Regardless of the fact, there aren’t police officers in every home and on every street corner and there never will be. Policing is the one profession where people get paid to do what is incumbent upon every (good) citizen to do. We aren’t directly and completely responsible for crime rates going up anymore than we are for them going down. Clearance rates for specific crimes are an indicator, but when people only do 3 or 4 years for murder in Marion County it really doesn’t matter how often you catch them if you’re just going to release them anyway…

]]> By: Robert-NW Side http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/07/crime_beat.html#comment-12164 Robert-NW Side Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:16:48 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/?p=1295#comment-12164 Hello True Conservative, - Police are paid to 'protect' the public 'at large'. They are not paid to protect any 'individual Citizen'. - You are quite correct concerning the liability. Thus, if they don't 'protect' you, they (government employees) stand an excellent chance of prevailing in a suit. - I invite all to view this 3.5 minute video at YouTube. It outlines the horrible case of Warren v D.C., where 3 women were beaten, raped, sodomized, and forced to commit deviant acts for FOURTEEN HOURS. - When they sued D.C. and the police, the Court ruled the police didn't have a duty to protect them. - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb3rAglRsqU - Nice, huh? D.C. wouldn't allow them to be armed with a handgun or rifle; nor mace, pepper spray, or any other method of self-protection. - Well....I'm guessing they were allowed to have a condom as a form of 'protection'. - Want more proof? Our vaunted SCrOTUS ruled in 2005 that "Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone". I offer the article from the NY Times: - http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html - At the end of the day, YOU are responsible for YOUR protection, and the protection of your family and property. NOT the government. - We've spent hundreds of billions of dollars on National Defense. What did that get us on 11 September ?? Hello True Conservative,
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Police are paid to ‘protect’ the public ‘at large’. They are not paid to protect any ‘individual Citizen’.
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You are quite correct concerning the liability. Thus, if they don’t ‘protect’ you, they (government employees) stand an excellent chance of prevailing in a suit.
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I invite all to view this 3.5 minute video at YouTube. It outlines the horrible case of Warren v D.C., where 3 women were beaten, raped, sodomized, and forced to commit deviant acts for FOURTEEN HOURS.
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When they sued D.C. and the police, the Court ruled the police didn’t have a duty to protect them.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb3rAglRsqU
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Nice, huh? D.C. wouldn’t allow them to be armed with a handgun or rifle; nor mace, pepper spray, or any other method of self-protection.
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Well….I’m guessing they were allowed to have a condom as a form of ‘protection’.
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Want more proof? Our vaunted SCrOTUS ruled in 2005 that “Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone”. I offer the article from the NY Times:
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html
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At the end of the day, YOU are responsible for YOUR protection, and the protection of your family and property. NOT the government.
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We’ve spent hundreds of billions of dollars on National Defense. What did that get us on 11 September ??

]]> By: IRoc http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/07/crime_beat.html#comment-12115 IRoc Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:23:33 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/?p=1295#comment-12115 David Meyers, You Said: Aug. 23, (10am) I am holding a get together on the circle to show support of IMPD and our Mayor. I hope some of you that keep complaining on these boards will take the time to be there. _____________ Will Mayor Ballard have Leroy, Bubba and Skillet behind him? Oh, I forgot, and Reverend Olgin Williams. David Meyers, You Said:

Aug. 23, (10am) I am holding a get together on the circle to show support of IMPD and our Mayor. I hope some of you that keep complaining on these boards will take the time to be there.
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Will Mayor Ballard have Leroy, Bubba and Skillet behind him? Oh, I forgot, and Reverend Olgin Williams.

]]> By: true conservative http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/07/crime_beat.html#comment-12099 true conservative Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:32:14 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/?p=1295#comment-12099 Robert-NW Side what you refer to is they do not have civil liability for not protecting an individual. They clearly are paid to do so. Robert-NW Side

what you refer to is they do not have civil liability for not protecting an individual. They clearly are paid to do so.

]]> By: Robert-NW Side http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/07/crime_beat.html#comment-12081 Robert-NW Side Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:39:53 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/?p=1295#comment-12081 "...and get the worst police protection! Sort sucks donut! <:" -- Moneyguy, July @ 3:14AM - The police have no 'duty to protect' us. - Once you embrace this fact, life will become much easier for you. - http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=police+no+duty+to+protect&btnG=Google+Search “…and get the worst police protection! Sort sucks donut! <:” — Moneyguy, July @ 3:14AM
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The police have no ‘duty to protect’ us.
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Once you embrace this fact, life will become much easier for you.
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http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=police+no+duty+to+protect&btnG=Google+Search

]]> By: David Myers http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/07/crime_beat.html#comment-12080 David Myers Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:06:06 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/?p=1295#comment-12080 Don’t expect the Mayor or the police department to solve the entire crime problem in Indy. It takes a combination of Police, courts, judges and citizens. I have not heard anything about jail overcrowding lately, have you? If one is arrested by one of our finest, then walks out within 24 hours, what good is it to arrest them? If you notice these same people commit’s the crimes in our city. I am all for this new program of helping them gets jobs but some will not show up for work after you help them get that job. Aug. 23, (10am) I am holding a get together on the circle to show support of IMPD and our Mayor. I hope some of you that keep complaining on these boards will take the time to be there. Don’t expect the Mayor or the police department to solve the entire crime problem in Indy. It takes a combination of Police, courts, judges and citizens. I have not heard anything about jail overcrowding lately, have you?

If one is arrested by one of our finest, then walks out within 24 hours, what good is it to arrest them? If you notice these same people commit’s the crimes in our city. I am all for this new program of helping them gets jobs but some will not show up for work after you help them get that job.

Aug. 23, (10am) I am holding a get together on the circle to show support of IMPD and our Mayor. I hope some of you that keep complaining on these boards will take the time to be there.

]]> By: Moneyguy http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/07/crime_beat.html#comment-12079 Moneyguy Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:14:36 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/?p=1295#comment-12079 Did I say half! Out here in the rim (Warren and Franklin Twsp are 2 that come to mind) townships that would be close to 80 percent of the force! :) The funny part is we pay a tremendous amount of property taxes and get the worst police protection! Sort sucks donut! <: Did I say half! Out here in the rim (Warren and Franklin Twsp are 2 that come to mind) townships that would be close to 80 percent of the force! :) The funny part is we pay a tremendous amount of property taxes and get the worst police protection! Sort sucks donut! <:

]]> By: Moneyguy http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/07/crime_beat.html#comment-12078 Moneyguy Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:01:02 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/?p=1295#comment-12078 Only 20 million! That's 10 million less then me! ;) I hear when there are murders that all the detectives are pulled off of their other cases. This leaves the criminals that steal free reign to go wild stealing from us like we are a blind man. Community policing is what we need boys and girls! We need the at least half of the officers that live in our townships to be policing their own streets. Put the unpaid rookies in the car with them so they can learn from the best! They can then talk to their own neighbors to find out what's going down in their own neighborhoods! Only 20 million! That’s 10 million less then me! ;) I hear when there are murders that all the detectives are pulled off of their other cases. This leaves the criminals that steal free reign to go wild stealing from us like we are a blind man. Community policing is what we need boys and girls! We need the at least half of the officers that live in our townships to be policing their own streets. Put the unpaid rookies in the car with them so they can learn from the best! They can then talk to their own neighbors to find out what’s going down in their own neighborhoods!

]]> By: Steward http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/07/crime_beat.html#comment-12077 Steward Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:49:29 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/?p=1295#comment-12077 Scott Newman seems to come up with a plan everytime something happens in Marion County. The problem is that they are just that, plans. No action, no results, no reduction of crime. Much like the Peace in the Streets effort! Scott Newman seems to come up with a plan everytime something happens in Marion County. The problem is that they are just that, plans. No action, no results, no reduction of crime.
Much like the Peace in the Streets effort!

]]> By: true conservative http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/07/crime_beat.html#comment-12072 true conservative Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:15:57 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/?p=1295#comment-12072 John Doe: Marion county accounts for about 80% of the people in the department of corrections. Maybe if we would deal with the problems before people get shot it might help. I don't know who you talk to that tell you judges in Marion county and prosecutors are soft on crime. In fact prosecutors often would rather send an innocent person to jail rather than look soft on crime. John Doe: Marion county accounts for about 80% of the people in the department of corrections. Maybe if we would deal with the problems before people get shot it might help. I don’t know who you talk to that tell you judges in Marion county and prosecutors are soft on crime. In fact prosecutors often would rather send an innocent person to jail rather than look soft on crime.

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