Comments on: CALIFORNIA, HERE THEY COME

By: Taxpayer 834512

Taxpayer 834512 — Sun, 18 May 2008 19:13:06 +0000

As expressed before, I think “gay marriage” is small potatoes in today’s world. Believing our fiscal future is our biggest problem, the self-sufficiency and participatory citizenship of my collective gay friends leaves the heterosexual balance in the dust. There are hateful fringes on this as surely as racist accusations if you don’t toe the line at City Council or for Obama (I don’t like Ms. Sanders, but respect her as I do Mr. Boyd). However, based on experience and assessment, I don’t have a similar outlook re illegal immigration. I read the local paper, the Economist, history, replies from my elected officials, and listen to (the demonized) talk radio and griping neighbors, but I’m not going to be pursuing court briefs any time soon. I have to take the word of lawyers, as I have to take the word of car salesmen. When I hear differing legal opinions, such as the re the recent Delph bill(s), it’s maddening. But, law interpretation seems to be a moving target with little unanimity. I agree with Marti re the three govt branches provide needed balance, with judicial review an essential insturment. But, I also distill from my inputs that there’s become more of a tendency to “legislate from the bench”, vs ascertain whether a point’s legal or not. Many examples of this I read and hear of eminate from the Surpreme Court or California. I don’t think my assessment of California judicial review, Ruth Ginsburg, or illegal immigration is misplaced, even if my suspicion of this particular California Constitution ruling is.

By: MissouriDemocrat

MissouriDemocrat — Sun, 18 May 2008 12:13:19 +0000

Marti I have said it before, and will likely say it again and undoubtedly will be criticized for saying it, however hear goes. I hear this vote of the people. Well if we had 100 percent voting and then let pick another hot topic issue, abortion. Let’s say all the women in America bound together and voted to make abortion illegal. Then all those opposing this particular issue Gay Marriage would rare up their ugly heads and say, where are the Judges to strike this down. These Chrisitan Conservative (not to be confused with real Christians meaning Christ-like) are book burners in the sense that the Nazis were. If you dont agree with them on every issue they will crucify you. Look how they wanted to take down John McCain? Look at how they attack anyone even of their own party that do not follow their particular brand of America. Those opposed to them get called UnAmerican, Marxist/Socialist, Enemies of Freedom, etc. You can’t win with them. The best we can do is waddle along and life as happy a life as we can. Politics is in a season of hate unlike any I have seen in the 40 years I have been participating in elections starting at age 13 working the polls and listening to the old-timers. It is enough to make an unapathetic person very apathetic.

By: Marti

Marti — Sun, 18 May 2008 09:40:22 +0000

“Good point Mike, but it’s a very sad state where we don’t want the people’s vote counted, or voice heard.”

Jerry, why do you hate America? Why do you want to pretend that we only have 2 branches of government, not three? We have these neat little documents, they call them Constitutions. When the legislation oversteps bounds that are laid out in said Constitution, it is the duty of the court to overturn it… even if most of the country is for it (look at public opinion at the time about Loving v Virgina or Brown v. Board of Education).

By: Marti

Marti — Sun, 18 May 2008 08:59:21 +0000

“Ahhh…so lawyers wearing black robes have decided that the People of California who enacted a law are too stupid to think for themselves.”

I know! I think we should do away with judges anyway! Who needs them!

There’s this thing called the judiciary, and you might want to keep in mind that there are three branches of government, not two.

To say that this was judicial activism is to not know the facts . First of all, the ruling was made by 7 Republican judges. Secondly, this was about the California Constitution. You might want to check your 7th grade civics book for the the phrase “judicial review”. Then you probably should reaad the decision.

It’s amusing that no one has met Abdul’s challenge. The crickets chirping when he issued the challenge tell me everything I need to know.

By: Jerry

Jerry — Sun, 18 May 2008 04:38:25 +0000

Good point Mike, but it’s a very sad state where we don’t want the people’s vote counted, or voice heard. This applies to all facets of government as you allude: taxes, spending, global warming, gay marriage, etc.

By: Mike Kole

Mike Kole — Sat, 17 May 2008 20:23:36 +0000

Patriot Paul, you and I share a lot of ground, but not here.

The last thing I really want is a vote of the people- you know, those folks who really have very little interest in liberty, and who are all to happy to use the state as a means of oppression, ESPECIALLY when we can all self-congratulate ourselves that oppression by ballot box is DEMOCRATIC.

If majority rule is good enough to stop people from marrying, why is it not good enough to tax us into oblivion, if this is what the majority wants? Etc.

By: Taxpayer 834512

Taxpayer 834512 — Sat, 17 May 2008 17:49:59 +0000

Agreed. At least a couple of local lawyers have had prominent media exposure, chest-thumpin’ about the callousness and racism of those of us with these unfounded, irreasonable objections to our country being overrun by millions of undocumented workers. Why, we must be positively delusional to believe they have a net adverse effect on respect for the law, wages, infrastructure, and long term economics. Or, that the money these lawyers make money handling immigration cases has zero bearing on their opinion. A plumber donning a black robe might not make any more judicious a judge, but I concur there’s a few judges in California that ought to take-up plumbing.

By: Robert-NW Side

Robert-NW Side — Sat, 17 May 2008 06:45:59 +0000

Ahhh…so lawyers wearing black robes have decided that the People of California who enacted a law are too stupid to think for themselves.
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Is anyone surprised?
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Anyone recall that a hispanic federal judge (lawyer) overturned another vote of the People of California that had something to do with illegal immigrants?

By: Pascal

Pascal — Sat, 17 May 2008 02:42:17 +0000

The heart has reasons the intellect will never know.

By: Fortville Randy

Fortville Randy — Fri, 16 May 2008 14:32:01 +0000

I am all for gay marriage. I think they should be as miserable as us heterosexual married people =)

Randy