Comments on: WHEN THE PEOPLE SPEAK, POLITICIANS LISTEN http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/03/when_the_people_speak_politicians_listen.html Indiana Barrister is the source for local Indianapolis and Indiana news, politics and commentary. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:15:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Proud Indy Resident http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/03/when_the_people_speak_politicians_listen.html/comment-page-1#comment-8452 Proud Indy Resident Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:07:35 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/03/when_the_people_speak_politicians_listen.html#comment-8452 Jay- Really??? You really would have rather the Colts never come here? Really?? Having an NFL team makes you one of the big dawgs in the country. Did you watch the Super Bowl this year or last? Did Did you fill out a bracket? Did you watch IU, Purdue, ND or Butler this past weekend? I'm guessing the answer is yes. Dude, I think it's weird that sports are so big (to the US and every single country in the world), and we can debate that all day long. I don't know why sports lead the news every week during the NFL season. I don't know why Kelvin Sampson was a bigger story this year than property tax reform. But here's the real world bottom line. Sports are important. AND it's a BUSINESS, that employs thousands of people. Indiana put itself on the map with sports. This was a strategy employed by Governors Bowen and Ordd and Mayors Lugar, Hudnut and Goldmsith, LONG before Bart Peterson came on the scene. And we were NOT guaranteed final fours every five years. We would NOT have continued to get them with the RCA Dome. Seen the Alamo Dome (2008) or Ford Field (next year)? They would have dropped Indy like a hot potato. AND(oh I can do this all day) if you want to be the only one in the state (and the entire free world) who lines up against Peyton Manning, be my guest. Jay-

Really??? You really would have rather the Colts never come here? Really??

Having an NFL team makes you one of the big dawgs in the country. Did you watch the Super Bowl this year or last? Did Did you fill out a bracket? Did you watch IU, Purdue, ND or Butler this past weekend? I’m guessing the answer is yes.

Dude, I think it’s weird that sports are so big (to the US and every single country in the world), and we can debate that all day long. I don’t know why sports lead the news every week during the NFL season. I don’t know why Kelvin Sampson was a bigger story this year than property tax reform.

But here’s the real world bottom line. Sports are important. AND it’s a BUSINESS, that employs thousands of people.

Indiana put itself on the map with sports. This was a strategy employed by Governors Bowen and Ordd and Mayors Lugar, Hudnut and Goldmsith, LONG before Bart Peterson came on the scene.

And we were NOT guaranteed final fours every five years. We would NOT have continued to get them with the RCA Dome. Seen the Alamo Dome (2008) or Ford Field (next year)? They would have dropped Indy like a hot potato.

AND(oh I can do this all day) if you want to be the only one in the state (and the entire free world) who lines up against Peyton Manning, be my guest.

]]> By: the_weasel http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/03/when_the_people_speak_politicians_listen.html/comment-page-1#comment-8448 the_weasel Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:44:01 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/03/when_the_people_speak_politicians_listen.html#comment-8448 Maybe it is time to look at the Capital Improvements Board (CIB). Maybe that should be privatized - what a thought! the_weasel Maybe it is time to look at the Capital Improvements Board (CIB). Maybe that should be privatized – what a thought!

the_weasel

]]> By: Jay http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/03/when_the_people_speak_politicians_listen.html/comment-page-1#comment-8432 Jay Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:37:50 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/03/when_the_people_speak_politicians_listen.html#comment-8432 Say, Proud Indy Resident, did you ever stop to think *why* we have to pay so much to have an NFL team ? Why the RCA dome was good enough, then not good enough ? Ever stop to think that the whole thing is rigged to extort money from taxpayers ? I'd rather the Colts never came here, that we didn't still have to pay $75 million for the RCA dome, $600 million for the new Colts stadium, and that instead we'd either left the money in taxpayers' bank accounts, or put the money toward something useful, like public safety. We already would have gotten the final four every 5 years abyway, we had 1997, 2000, and 2006, how many do you want ? Two a year ? Peyton Manning didn't contribute one dime to St V's by the way... Say, Proud Indy Resident, did you ever stop to think *why* we have to pay so much to have an NFL team ? Why the RCA dome was good enough, then not good enough ?

Ever stop to think that the whole thing is rigged to extort money from taxpayers ?

I’d rather the Colts never came here, that we didn’t still have to pay $75 million for the RCA dome, $600 million for the new Colts stadium, and that instead we’d either left the money in taxpayers’ bank accounts, or put the money toward something useful, like public safety.

We already would have gotten the final four every 5 years abyway, we had 1997, 2000, and 2006, how many do you want ? Two a year ?

Peyton Manning didn’t contribute one dime to St V’s by the way…

]]> By: Proud Indy Resident http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/03/when_the_people_speak_politicians_listen.html/comment-page-1#comment-8429 Proud Indy Resident Mon, 24 Mar 2008 00:57:19 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/03/when_the_people_speak_politicians_listen.html#comment-8429 Think Again- You should think again. I guess you would have preferred the Colts leave. Sure Jim Irsay got a lot of money, but this is the NFL. Either you want in or you don't. I guess you'd rather be Omaha or Lansing or Peoria. Every city that lost a team regretted it and paid twice as much as it would have cost to keep them to get them back. Are all the cities and states across the country - with D & R mayors and governors - corrupt and dumb? And Irsay not only committed his business to Indianapolis for 30 years - unbreakable. If you owned your own business and you just signed a deal that tied your hands for 3 decades, and cities and states will pay a billion dollars to steal you away (See Houston, Cleveland, Baltimore, Oakland & St. Louis), well I'd expect something too. So I, for one, am pretty damn happy with the deal. And the Lombardi Trophy. And Peyton Manning Children's Hospital. And every time the word "Indianapolis" is mentioned throughout the world. And the 40 years of Final Fours. And new and bigger conventions. Think Again-

You should think again. I guess you would have preferred the Colts leave.

Sure Jim Irsay got a lot of money, but this is the NFL. Either you want in or you don’t. I guess you’d rather be Omaha or Lansing or Peoria.

Every city that lost a team regretted it and paid twice as much as it would have cost to keep them to get them back. Are all the cities and states across the country – with D & R mayors and governors – corrupt and dumb?

And Irsay not only committed his business to Indianapolis for 30 years – unbreakable. If you owned your own business and you just signed a deal that tied your hands for 3 decades, and cities and states will pay a billion dollars to steal you away (See Houston, Cleveland, Baltimore, Oakland & St. Louis), well I’d expect something too.

So I, for one, am pretty damn happy with the deal. And the Lombardi Trophy. And Peyton Manning Children’s Hospital. And every time the word “Indianapolis” is mentioned throughout the world. And the 40 years of Final Fours. And new and bigger conventions.

]]> By: Red Headed Step-Child http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/03/when_the_people_speak_politicians_listen.html/comment-page-1#comment-8409 Red Headed Step-Child Sun, 23 Mar 2008 07:09:09 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/03/when_the_people_speak_politicians_listen.html#comment-8409 A dog will return to it's own vomit, with savour. So, has this legislature. The only changes, favour the thieves. Cry HAVOC! And, loose the dogs of WAR! This means that NO ONE OWNS PROPERTY! PERIOD! NO ONE EXCEPT THE GOVERNMENT! Or, those they deign fit for such privilege! House Bill 1145 2008 Regular Session Latest Information DIGEST OF HB1145 (Updated February 19, 2008 2:56 pm - DI 84) Tax delinquent properties. Provides that a county may transfer real property for which the county holds a tax deed to an abutting landowner for no consideration or nominal consideration. Provides that a political subdivision that acquires real property from a county at a time when the county holds a tax deed for the real property may also transfer the real property to an abutting landowner for no consideration or nominal consideration. Provides for notice to all abutting landowners before a county or other political subdivision initiates negotiations for sale or transfer of the real property. Current Status: Signed by the Governor Latest Printing (PDF) Action List Introduced Bill Fiscal Impact Statement(s): 1(PDF), 2(PDF), 3(PDF), 4(PDF), 5(PDF), 6(PDF), 7(PDF), 8(PDF) Roll Call(s): No. 51(PDF), No. 214(PDF), No. 6265(PDF), No. 6329(PDF) Indiana Code Citations Affected House Committee Reports Filed Committee Reports: 1145-1, 1145-1(PDF) Passed Committee Reports: 1145-1, 1145-1(PDF) House Amendments House Bill Senate Committee Reports Filed Committee Reports: 1145-1, 1145-1(PDF) Passed Committee Reports: 1145-1, 1145-1(PDF) Senate Amendments Engrossed Bill Conference Committee Reports Enrolled Act House Bill 1164 2008 Regular Session Latest Information DIGEST OF HB1164 (Updated March 4, 2008 2:27 pm - DI 84) Property tax deduction for model residences. Subject to certain restrictions, allows a 50% property tax deduction for property taxes first due and payable after 2009 for a model residence for not more than: (1) an assessment date for which the residence is partially assessed; and (2) the first three years for which the residence is fully assessed. Specifies procedures for obtaining a deduction. Provides that not more than three model residences in Indiana owned by the same owner or an affiliated group of owners may qualify for the deduction for an assessment date. Current Status: Signed by the Governor Latest Printing (PDF) Action List Introduced Bill Fiscal Impact Statement(s): 1(PDF), 2(PDF), 3(PDF), 4(PDF), 5(PDF), 6(PDF), 7(PDF), 8(PDF) Roll Call(s): No. 91(PDF), No. 217(PDF), No. 291(PDF), No. 6247(PDF), No. 6328(PDF) Indiana Code Citations Affected House Committee Reports Filed Committee Reports: 1164-1, 1164-1(PDF) Passed Committee Reports: 1164-1, 1164-1(PDF) House Amendments Filed: 1164-1, 1164-1(PDF), 1164-2, 1164-2(PDF), 1164-3, 1164-3(PDF), 1164-4, 1164-4(PDF), 1164-C(PDF), 1164-C Passed: 1164-3, 1164-3(PDF), 1164-C(PDF), 1164-C House Bill Senate Committee Reports Filed Committee Reports: 1164-1, 1164-1(PDF) Passed Committee Reports: 1164-1, 1164-1(PDF) Senate Amendments Engrossed Bill Conference Committee Reports Enrolled Act Senate Bill 0062 2008 Regular Session Latest Information DIGEST OF SB 62 (Updated March 14, 2008 3:46 pm - DI 101) Posting notice of foreclosure sale. Eliminates the requirement that a sheriff post notice of a foreclosure sale in at least three public places in each township where the real estate is located. Current Status: Signed by the President of the Senate Latest Printing (PDF) Action List Introduced Bill Fiscal Impact Statement(s): 1(PDF), 2(PDF), 3(PDF), 4(PDF), 5(PDF), 6(PDF), 7(PDF), 8(PDF) Roll Call(s): No. 31(PDF), No. 192(PDF), No. 197(PDF), No. 350(PDF), No. 352(PDF), No. 6084(PDF), No. 6456(PDF) Indiana Code Citations Affected House Committee Reports Filed Committee Reports: 0062-1, 0062-1(PDF) Passed Committee Reports: 0062-1, 0062-1(PDF) House Amendments Filed: 0062-1, 0062-1(PDF), 0062-2, 0062-2(PDF) Passed: 0062-2, 0062-2(PDF) Senate Bill Senate Committee Reports Filed Committee Reports: 0062-1, 0062-1(PDF) Passed Committee Reports: 0062-1, 0062-1(PDF) Senate Amendments Filed: 0062-1, 0062-1(PDF), 0062-D(PDF), 0062-D Passed: 0062-1, 0062-1(PDF), 0062-D(PDF), 0062-D Engrossed Bill Conference Committee Reports Filed Senate Conference Committee Reports: 0062-1, 0062-1(PDF) Passed Senate Conference Committee Reports: 0062-1, 0062-1(PDF) Filed House Conference Committee Reports: 0062-1, 0062-1(PDF) Passed House Conference Committee Reports: 0062-1, 0062-1(PDF) 2008 Regular Session Latest Information DIGEST OF INTRODUCED BILL Penalties for failure to pay state taxes. Provides that a penalty for failure to pay tax by the due date is reduced to 5% of the amount of tax due if the person pays the full amount of the tax owed not more than 30 days after the due date. (Current law provides for a 10% penalty on the amount of tax owed if the payment is made any time after the due date.) Current Status: Representative Welch added as coauthor Latest Printing (PDF) Action List Introduced Bill Fiscal Impact Statement(s): 1(PDF) Indiana Code Citations Affected House Committee Reports House Amendments Senate Committee Reports Senate Amendments Conference Committee Reports "Piper" Ask Dave to FWD the URLs Thieves respect property. They merely wish the property to become their property that they may more perfectly respect it. Gilbert K. Chesterton, (The man who was Thursday) A dog will return to it’s own vomit, with savour. So, has this legislature. The only changes, favour the thieves.

Cry HAVOC! And, loose the dogs of WAR!

This means that NO ONE OWNS PROPERTY! PERIOD!
NO ONE EXCEPT THE GOVERNMENT! Or, those they deign fit for such privilege!

House Bill 1145
2008 Regular Session

Latest Information

DIGEST OF HB1145 (Updated February 19, 2008 2:56 pm – DI 84)

Tax delinquent properties. Provides that a county may transfer real property for which the county holds a tax deed to an abutting landowner for no consideration or nominal consideration.

Provides that a political subdivision that acquires real property from a county at a time when the county holds a tax deed for the real property may also transfer the real property to an abutting landowner for no consideration or nominal consideration.

Provides for notice to all abutting landowners before a county or other political subdivision initiates negotiations for sale or transfer of the real property.

Current Status:
Signed by the Governor
Latest Printing (PDF)

Action List
Introduced Bill
Fiscal Impact Statement(s): 1(PDF), 2(PDF), 3(PDF), 4(PDF), 5(PDF), 6(PDF), 7(PDF), 8(PDF)
Roll Call(s): No. 51(PDF), No. 214(PDF), No. 6265(PDF), No. 6329(PDF)
Indiana Code Citations Affected
House Committee Reports
Filed Committee Reports: 1145-1, 1145-1(PDF)
Passed Committee Reports: 1145-1, 1145-1(PDF)
House Amendments
House Bill
Senate Committee Reports
Filed Committee Reports: 1145-1, 1145-1(PDF)
Passed Committee Reports: 1145-1, 1145-1(PDF)
Senate Amendments
Engrossed Bill
Conference Committee Reports
Enrolled Act

House Bill 1164
2008 Regular Session

Latest Information

DIGEST OF HB1164 (Updated March 4, 2008 2:27 pm – DI 84)

Property tax deduction for model residences. Subject to certain restrictions, allows a 50% property tax deduction for property taxes first due and payable after 2009 for a model residence for not more than: (1) an assessment date for which the residence is partially assessed; and (2) the first three years for which the residence is fully assessed. Specifies procedures for obtaining a deduction. Provides that not more than three model residences in Indiana owned by the same owner or an affiliated group of owners may qualify for the deduction for an assessment date.

Current Status:
Signed by the Governor
Latest Printing (PDF)

Action List
Introduced Bill
Fiscal Impact Statement(s): 1(PDF), 2(PDF), 3(PDF), 4(PDF), 5(PDF), 6(PDF), 7(PDF), 8(PDF)
Roll Call(s): No. 91(PDF), No. 217(PDF), No. 291(PDF), No. 6247(PDF), No. 6328(PDF)
Indiana Code Citations Affected
House Committee Reports
Filed Committee Reports: 1164-1, 1164-1(PDF)
Passed Committee Reports: 1164-1, 1164-1(PDF)
House Amendments
Filed: 1164-1, 1164-1(PDF), 1164-2, 1164-2(PDF), 1164-3, 1164-3(PDF), 1164-4, 1164-4(PDF), 1164-C(PDF), 1164-C
Passed: 1164-3, 1164-3(PDF), 1164-C(PDF), 1164-C
House Bill
Senate Committee Reports
Filed Committee Reports: 1164-1, 1164-1(PDF)
Passed Committee Reports: 1164-1, 1164-1(PDF)
Senate Amendments
Engrossed Bill
Conference Committee Reports
Enrolled Act

Senate Bill 0062
2008 Regular Session

Latest Information

DIGEST OF SB 62 (Updated March 14, 2008 3:46 pm – DI 101)

Posting notice of foreclosure sale. Eliminates the requirement that a sheriff post notice of a foreclosure sale in at least three public places in each township where the real estate is located.

Current Status:
Signed by the President of the Senate
Latest Printing (PDF)

Action List
Introduced Bill
Fiscal Impact Statement(s): 1(PDF), 2(PDF), 3(PDF), 4(PDF), 5(PDF), 6(PDF), 7(PDF), 8(PDF)
Roll Call(s): No. 31(PDF), No. 192(PDF), No. 197(PDF), No. 350(PDF), No. 352(PDF), No. 6084(PDF), No. 6456(PDF)
Indiana Code Citations Affected
House Committee Reports
Filed Committee Reports: 0062-1, 0062-1(PDF)
Passed Committee Reports: 0062-1, 0062-1(PDF)
House Amendments
Filed: 0062-1, 0062-1(PDF), 0062-2, 0062-2(PDF)
Passed: 0062-2, 0062-2(PDF)
Senate Bill
Senate Committee Reports
Filed Committee Reports: 0062-1, 0062-1(PDF)
Passed Committee Reports: 0062-1, 0062-1(PDF)
Senate Amendments
Filed: 0062-1, 0062-1(PDF), 0062-D(PDF), 0062-D
Passed: 0062-1, 0062-1(PDF), 0062-D(PDF), 0062-D
Engrossed Bill
Conference Committee Reports
Filed Senate Conference Committee Reports: 0062-1, 0062-1(PDF)
Passed Senate Conference Committee Reports: 0062-1, 0062-1(PDF)
Filed House Conference Committee Reports: 0062-1, 0062-1(PDF)
Passed House Conference Committee Reports: 0062-1, 0062-1(PDF)

2008 Regular Session

Latest Information

DIGEST OF INTRODUCED BILL

Penalties for failure to pay state taxes. Provides that a penalty for failure to pay tax by the due date is reduced to 5% of the amount of tax due if the person pays the full amount of the tax owed not more than 30 days after the due date. (Current law provides for a 10% penalty on the amount of tax owed if the payment is made any time after the due date.)

Current Status:
Representative Welch added as coauthor
Latest Printing (PDF)

Action List
Introduced Bill
Fiscal Impact Statement(s): 1(PDF)
Indiana Code Citations Affected
House Committee Reports
House Amendments
Senate Committee Reports
Senate Amendments
Conference Committee Reports

“Piper”
Ask Dave to FWD the URLs

Thieves respect property. They merely wish the property to become their property that they may more perfectly respect it.
Gilbert K. Chesterton, (The man who was Thursday)

]]> By: Flynn http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/03/when_the_people_speak_politicians_listen.html/comment-page-1#comment-8408 Flynn Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:04:41 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/03/when_the_people_speak_politicians_listen.html#comment-8408 Indiana Sports Corporation does not get tax money? Want to bet on that? Watch the Channel 16 broadcast of the CIB meeting where a board member talks about that the CIB has routinely given the Indiana Sports Corporation money in the past. The CIB represents the taxpayers and its money is taxpayer money. The board member did not see anything wrong with the Indiana Sports Corporation pocketing money from the sale. Spence is far and away the most knowledgable person on here. FYI, for those people who think non-profit corporation are "charities," they need to take a business law class. Indiana Sports Corporation does not get tax money? Want to bet on that? Watch the Channel 16 broadcast of the CIB meeting where a board member talks about that the CIB has routinely given the Indiana Sports Corporation money in the past. The CIB represents the taxpayers and its money is taxpayer money. The board member did not see anything wrong with the Indiana Sports Corporation pocketing money from the sale. Spence is far and away the most knowledgable person on here.

FYI, for those people who think non-profit corporation are “charities,” they need to take a business law class.

]]> By: GOP Pine rider http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/03/when_the_people_speak_politicians_listen.html/comment-page-1#comment-8406 GOP Pine rider Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:10:51 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/03/when_the_people_speak_politicians_listen.html#comment-8406 Wow, Abdul, you got Rev. Jeremiah Wright reading and commenting on your blog... only here he calls himself "Hamstrung"... Wow, Abdul, you got Rev. Jeremiah Wright reading and commenting on your blog… only here he calls himself “Hamstrung”…

]]> By: Jon G http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/03/when_the_people_speak_politicians_listen.html/comment-page-1#comment-8402 Jon G Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:26:57 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/03/when_the_people_speak_politicians_listen.html#comment-8402 If the Mayor hires whites, he's racist. If he hires blacks, their tokens. Hamstrung, what will make people like you happy? Oh I get it, he must do only what YOU want. Then why don't YOU run for office? If the Mayor hires whites, he’s racist. If he hires blacks, their tokens. Hamstrung, what will make people like you happy? Oh I get it, he must do only what YOU want. Then why don’t YOU run for office?

]]> By: StatlerNWaldorf http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/03/when_the_people_speak_politicians_listen.html/comment-page-1#comment-8401 StatlerNWaldorf Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:17:19 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/03/when_the_people_speak_politicians_listen.html#comment-8401 So in order for hiring people other than white it has to meet some sort of litmus test. You, Hamstrung< are severely racist!! So in order for hiring people other than white it has to meet some sort of litmus test. You, Hamstrung< are severely racist!!

]]> By: Hamstrung http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/03/when_the_people_speak_politicians_listen.html/comment-page-1#comment-8391 Hamstrung Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:57:50 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/03/when_the_people_speak_politicians_listen.html#comment-8391 Jay, You think the ISC has a bad record? Wait until you see what Ballard's up to. He is not hiring blacks and the one's he's hiring love 'other' ethnicities. He is going to turn our town into little China and shove all the blacks into ghettos and the unemployment line, except the inarticulate who will stand-in as a reminder to the uppity, educated articulate blacks that no matter what your accomplishments, you're still a N-word. Having a longtime African-Amerian employee is not sucessful hiring practices, it's called tokenism. Hiring Mays and Shrewsberry, who are owners and board members of one of the most notorious mbe Front companies, Shrewsberry & Associates, in the state is not remarkable either. Jay,

You think the ISC has a bad record?
Wait until you see what Ballard’s up to. He is not hiring blacks and the one’s he’s hiring love ‘other’ ethnicities. He is going to turn our town into little China and shove all the blacks into ghettos and the unemployment line, except the inarticulate who will stand-in as a reminder to the uppity, educated articulate blacks that no matter what your accomplishments, you’re still a N-word.

Having a longtime African-Amerian employee is not sucessful hiring practices, it’s called tokenism.

Hiring Mays and Shrewsberry, who are owners and board members of one of the most notorious mbe Front companies, Shrewsberry & Associates, in the state is not remarkable either.

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