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		<title>By: Wilson46201</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/01/what_government_reform.html#comment-6438</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilson46201</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melyssa should dig up a candidate to run against Bill 
Crawford in his District. His constituents are so satisfied with his performance that he hardly ever has an opponent in the elections...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melyssa should dig up a candidate to run against Bill<br />
Crawford in his District. His constituents are so satisfied with his performance that he hardly ever has an opponent in the elections&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MissouriDemocrat</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/01/what_government_reform.html#comment-6437</link>
		<dc:creator>MissouriDemocrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mely what a perfect reason to vote out every incumbent either democrat or republican.  Until this grass roots effort gets organized in every county in this state we will be subjected to the worst legislature in the nation, the most corrupt politicians of both parties.  I know some are even disappointed that Ballard is turning out to favor the old republican cronies of the past.  We should have expected that.....  none of them are honest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mely what a perfect reason to vote out every incumbent either democrat or republican.  Until this grass roots effort gets organized in every county in this state we will be subjected to the worst legislature in the nation, the most corrupt politicians of both parties.  I know some are even disappointed that Ballard is turning out to favor the old republican cronies of the past.  We should have expected that&#8230;..  none of them are honest.</p>
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		<title>By: Think Again</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/01/what_government_reform.html#comment-6435</link>
		<dc:creator>Think Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Melyssa, honey, didn't you get the memo?  The Center Township Democratic gang doens't have to comply with rules.  It's their world, and we're just passing through.

Evidence?

Try: 300 East, Carl Drummer's free storage and take-home unmarked police cruiser, 300 East again just because it was so outrageous, Andre Carson (just because Julia said so on her deathbed).  I could go on, but you get the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Melyssa, honey, didn&#8217;t you get the memo?  The Center Township Democratic gang doens&#8217;t have to comply with rules.  It&#8217;s their world, and we&#8217;re just passing through.</p>
<p>Evidence?</p>
<p>Try: 300 East, Carl Drummer&#8217;s free storage and take-home unmarked police cruiser, 300 East again just because it was so outrageous, Andre Carson (just because Julia said so on her deathbed).  I could go on, but you get the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Melyssa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melyssa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone explain how Rep. Bill Crawford sits on the board of Shrewsberry engineering company?  They are a certified minority business enterprise with a long list of government contracts.  This is a huge conflict of interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone explain how Rep. Bill Crawford sits on the board of Shrewsberry engineering company?  They are a certified minority business enterprise with a long list of government contracts.  This is a huge conflict of interest.</p>
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		<title>By: thundermutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>thundermutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How, when Marion County alone has nine township assessors, can the whole state of 92 counties have only 181 in total?  

Oh...wait.  Some counties don't HAVE township assessors?  How does that work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How, when Marion County alone has nine township assessors, can the whole state of 92 counties have only 181 in total?  </p>
<p>Oh&#8230;wait.  Some counties don&#8217;t HAVE township assessors?  How does that work?</p>
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		<title>By: Think Again</title>
		<link>http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2008/01/what_government_reform.html#comment-6404</link>
		<dc:creator>Think Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Becky, I don't have to have "real" or "current" time valuations. And I don't need an assessing lesson.  Don't mask the problem.

Hell, I'll settle for: accurate description of property improvements, proper measurements on those improvements, and values within three years.  Values using comps and consistent assessing methods.

I know the market.  I can do the math on the three years leading up to the transaction.  Just get me in the ballpark. I cna adjsut up or down based on market conditions.

I know full well what the DLGF tells township assessors. In writing and in person. By the way, do you think the DLGF would mind if the valuations were current-time?  Hell no they wouldn't, IF the assessments were done properly.

It really is a mess statewide, and if you cannot admit that, then you're part of the problem.  Because real estate values are one of the core denominators in our entire economic system, the valuations should be done properly.  Why are we entrusting that to a township elected official with no requirements whatsoever?

Well, come to think of it...this IS a state that lets a freaking chiropractor become coroner.  So anything's possible.

Trained professional assessors/valuators is the only answer.  I don't have a clue whether that would cost more or less than the current system, and I don't care. We need to pay the cost of doing it properly--so much is based on successful, consistent property assessment and valuation. One countywide elected official to oversee the professional process seems about right, but I'd listen to other ideas. 

Now, you cannot get consistent assessments in neighboring Marion County townships, let alone statewide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Becky, I don&#8217;t have to have &#8220;real&#8221; or &#8220;current&#8221; time valuations. And I don&#8217;t need an assessing lesson.  Don&#8217;t mask the problem.</p>
<p>Hell, I&#8217;ll settle for: accurate description of property improvements, proper measurements on those improvements, and values within three years.  Values using comps and consistent assessing methods.</p>
<p>I know the market.  I can do the math on the three years leading up to the transaction.  Just get me in the ballpark. I cna adjsut up or down based on market conditions.</p>
<p>I know full well what the DLGF tells township assessors. In writing and in person. By the way, do you think the DLGF would mind if the valuations were current-time?  Hell no they wouldn&#8217;t, IF the assessments were done properly.</p>
<p>It really is a mess statewide, and if you cannot admit that, then you&#8217;re part of the problem.  Because real estate values are one of the core denominators in our entire economic system, the valuations should be done properly.  Why are we entrusting that to a township elected official with no requirements whatsoever?</p>
<p>Well, come to think of it&#8230;this IS a state that lets a freaking chiropractor become coroner.  So anything&#8217;s possible.</p>
<p>Trained professional assessors/valuators is the only answer.  I don&#8217;t have a clue whether that would cost more or less than the current system, and I don&#8217;t care. We need to pay the cost of doing it properly&#8211;so much is based on successful, consistent property assessment and valuation. One countywide elected official to oversee the professional process seems about right, but I&#8217;d listen to other ideas. </p>
<p>Now, you cannot get consistent assessments in neighboring Marion County townships, let alone statewide.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If market values drop, your assessment needs to reflect that" you need a lesson in assessing. Per the rules set forth by the Department of Local Government Finance our assessments have not been current time. We can only to what the law allowes us to do. Are there crappy assessors? Sure there are, but then there are also crappy realtors.
I have no problem with eliminating township assessors but I WANT IT DONE RIGHT! Transferring the duties to a county assessor will not accomplish a fairer or more equitable system. I presented a consolidation that would have  eliminated elected township assessors. It would have taken politics out of assessments, but was pretty much ignored by the legislature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If market values drop, your assessment needs to reflect that&#8221; you need a lesson in assessing. Per the rules set forth by the Department of Local Government Finance our assessments have not been current time. We can only to what the law allowes us to do. Are there crappy assessors? Sure there are, but then there are also crappy realtors.<br />
I have no problem with eliminating township assessors but I WANT IT DONE RIGHT! Transferring the duties to a county assessor will not accomplish a fairer or more equitable system. I presented a consolidation that would have  eliminated elected township assessors. It would have taken politics out of assessments, but was pretty much ignored by the legislature.</p>
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		<title>By: Think Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Think Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Becky: I don't do houses.  I do commercial real estate.  I fully understand appraisal, probably much better than you, in addition to my real estate license.  I know the difference, believe me. I've dealt with township assessors across this state.  Therefore, I bear no responsibility for the foreclosure mess.  Frankly, as an elected township assessor, you really shouldn't open that can of worms.  It'll explode all over you.  Rising home values are a key component to that foreclosure debacle.  If lessons are needed, it's you who need one: in basic market economics.  Ergo: if home values cannot be relied upon, lenders are lost.  Not that they can't get lost on their own...but current and predictable rising market value is a primary indicator of mortgage reliability. So, if you've had your fingers in that pot for awhile, you need to go hang your head in shame somewhere.  If amrket values drop, your assessment needs to reflect same.  Rarely do they.  Wanna walk through the records of any township assessor with me, and find 15-20% of properties, minimally, that are improperly assessed?  With basic math errors, and square footage horrible amiss?

I can count on two hands the good township assessors I've dealt with in this state. I think they, and their staffs, want to do the right job.  But so few are properly trained and ahve the require dbackground to do the job. It should not be an on-the-job learning experience.  Go peddle your job protection nonsense elsewhere.  Taxpayers are tired of it.  And the 1100 was the total number of township officials.  Sorry for that error.

Wilson--the fact remains, Gene Akers, at the time of his election, was the "head" janitor.  He was elected because he kissed the ring of the Center Gulag and he had zero qualifications.  Another candidate had proper certification as an appraiser, but because she didn't kiss the ring, she wasn't favored.  The number of janitors he supervised, while an important job, has nothing to do with it.  You really don't want to hold up IPS as a model of bureaucratic efficiency, do you?  His election was a crime.

And one of the primary reasons this decrepit system has to go.  Do you really want warmed-over head janitors assessing your property?  Huh?  

You'll love having an auto mechanic work on your molars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Becky: I don&#8217;t do houses.  I do commercial real estate.  I fully understand appraisal, probably much better than you, in addition to my real estate license.  I know the difference, believe me. I&#8217;ve dealt with township assessors across this state.  Therefore, I bear no responsibility for the foreclosure mess.  Frankly, as an elected township assessor, you really shouldn&#8217;t open that can of worms.  It&#8217;ll explode all over you.  Rising home values are a key component to that foreclosure debacle.  If lessons are needed, it&#8217;s you who need one: in basic market economics.  Ergo: if home values cannot be relied upon, lenders are lost.  Not that they can&#8217;t get lost on their own&#8230;but current and predictable rising market value is a primary indicator of mortgage reliability. So, if you&#8217;ve had your fingers in that pot for awhile, you need to go hang your head in shame somewhere.  If amrket values drop, your assessment needs to reflect same.  Rarely do they.  Wanna walk through the records of any township assessor with me, and find 15-20% of properties, minimally, that are improperly assessed?  With basic math errors, and square footage horrible amiss?</p>
<p>I can count on two hands the good township assessors I&#8217;ve dealt with in this state. I think they, and their staffs, want to do the right job.  But so few are properly trained and ahve the require dbackground to do the job. It should not be an on-the-job learning experience.  Go peddle your job protection nonsense elsewhere.  Taxpayers are tired of it.  And the 1100 was the total number of township officials.  Sorry for that error.</p>
<p>Wilson&#8211;the fact remains, Gene Akers, at the time of his election, was the &#8220;head&#8221; janitor.  He was elected because he kissed the ring of the Center Gulag and he had zero qualifications.  Another candidate had proper certification as an appraiser, but because she didn&#8217;t kiss the ring, she wasn&#8217;t favored.  The number of janitors he supervised, while an important job, has nothing to do with it.  You really don&#8217;t want to hold up IPS as a model of bureaucratic efficiency, do you?  His election was a crime.</p>
<p>And one of the primary reasons this decrepit system has to go.  Do you really want warmed-over head janitors assessing your property?  Huh?  </p>
<p>You&#8217;ll love having an auto mechanic work on your molars.</p>
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		<title>By: Wilson46201</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilson46201</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Center Township Assessor never was a janitor: his previous job was managing a workforce of 515 employees at the Indiana's largest school system. Running his staff of 25 nowadays is a bit  easier...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Center Township Assessor never was a janitor: his previous job was managing a workforce of 515 employees at the Indiana&#8217;s largest school system. Running his staff of 25 nowadays is a bit  easier&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think Again, There are not 1100 township assessors, there are 181 most of whom have better (more) credentials than the county assessors. If they are suppose to take the blame for the tax mess then you sir should accept the blame for the foreclosure debacle. When was the last time you told someone they couldn't afford the house they wanted to buy?
Maybe you need to take a lesson on the difference between a real estate appraisal and mass appraisal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think Again, There are not 1100 township assessors, there are 181 most of whom have better (more) credentials than the county assessors. If they are suppose to take the blame for the tax mess then you sir should accept the blame for the foreclosure debacle. When was the last time you told someone they couldn&#8217;t afford the house they wanted to buy?<br />
Maybe you need to take a lesson on the difference between a real estate appraisal and mass appraisal.</p>
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