Comments on: Domestic Dispute http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2006/08/domestic_dispute.html Indiana Barrister is the source for local Indianapolis and Indiana news, politics and commentary. Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:10:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Anonymous http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2006/08/domestic_dispute.html#comment-302 Anonymous Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:12:30 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2006/08/domestic_dispute.html#comment-302 Newman: 27% Brizzi:9% Period. Newman: 27%
Brizzi:9%

Period.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2006/08/domestic_dispute.html#comment-301 Anonymous Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:11:28 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2006/08/domestic_dispute.html#comment-301 It was done for both Brizzi and Newman (his predecessor and prosecutor in 2002). It was done for both Brizzi and Newman (his predecessor and prosecutor in 2002).

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2006/08/domestic_dispute.html#comment-300 Anonymous Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:56:01 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2006/08/domestic_dispute.html#comment-300 If domestic violence convictions dropped from 37% to 9% because many of these charges are being plea bargained in lieu of guilty pleas for more serious charges, are we to assume that there was little or no plea bargaining in the 37% conviction rate? That's not a valid argument. The easiest method would be to tally up the number of domestic violence charges in a given period. Subtract all cases where the defendant wasn't ultimately charged with domestic violence. The only exeption would be for cases where the charge was dismissed as part of a plea agreement that results in a MORE SERIOUS offense. Do that for both Brizzi and his predecessor and you'll have a direct comparison that can't be spun by either side. If domestic violence convictions dropped from 37% to 9% because many of these charges are being plea bargained in lieu of guilty pleas for more serious charges, are we to assume that there was little or no plea bargaining in the 37% conviction rate? That’s not a valid argument.

The easiest method would be to tally up the number of domestic violence charges in a given period. Subtract all cases where the defendant wasn’t ultimately charged with domestic violence. The only exeption would be for cases where the charge was dismissed as part of a plea agreement that results in a MORE SERIOUS offense.

Do that for both Brizzi and his predecessor and you’ll have a direct comparison that can’t be spun by either side.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2006/08/domestic_dispute.html#comment-299 Anonymous Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:06:56 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2006/08/domestic_dispute.html#comment-299 But, the Star story said it was looked at as CASES, not COUNTS. Besides, even if it counted as a dismissal and a guilty, its a wash. But, the Star story said it was looked at as CASES, not COUNTS. Besides, even if it counted as a dismissal and a guilty, its a wash.

]]> By: legalobserver http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2006/08/domestic_dispute.html#comment-298 legalobserver Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:07:55 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2006/08/domestic_dispute.html#comment-298 The drop seems to be an issue of how you explain numbers. If you look at the stats there are number of D's who were charged with misdemeanor battery and another offense. The lower charged is dropped and the D is convicted on the larger charge. Exclude the larger charge in the stats and you go to 9%. It's pretty simple math. The drop seems to be an issue of how you explain numbers. If you look at the stats there are number of D’s who were charged with misdemeanor battery and another offense. The lower charged is dropped and the D is convicted on the larger charge. Exclude the larger charge in the stats and you go to 9%. It’s pretty simple math.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2006/08/domestic_dispute.html#comment-297 Anonymous Wed, 30 Aug 2006 14:11:29 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2006/08/domestic_dispute.html#comment-297 No, you didn't explain the DROP. The campaign isn't going to go through the trouble to create two models, if Brizzi's number is 9, and Newman's was 33, explain the DROP. No, you didn’t explain the DROP. The campaign isn’t going to go through the trouble to create two models, if Brizzi’s number is 9, and Newman’s was 33, explain the DROP.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2006/08/domestic_dispute.html#comment-296 Anonymous Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:45:07 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2006/08/domestic_dispute.html#comment-296 Imagine this scenario: A man strikes his wife and won't let her leave the house. He is arrested and charged with Confinement (a B level FELONY) and Domestic Battery (different levels depending on the injury (if any) and prior convictions). The man, recognizing his guilt, plead to the higher level felony confinment in exchange for a dismissal of the lesser Domestic Battery Charge. The man is sentenced on the higher level crime. Under MK's "fuzzy math" the victory is in fact counted as a "domestic violence" dimissal. Its true the Domestic Battery charge is in fact dismissed; however, its part of a large plea. As a resulte the "domestic violence conviction rate" goes from 33 to 9 despite the fact that the wife-beating felon is serving time on a higher level felony. Ta da! 33 became 9 and yet the citizens of this county are safer. Gotta love "fuzzy math." I guess "Results Matter" after all. Imagine this scenario: A man strikes his wife and won’t let her leave the house. He is arrested and charged with Confinement (a B level FELONY) and Domestic Battery (different levels depending on the injury (if any) and prior convictions). The man, recognizing his guilt, plead to the higher level felony confinment in exchange for a dismissal of the lesser Domestic Battery Charge. The man is sentenced on the higher level crime.

Under MK’s “fuzzy math” the victory is in fact counted as a “domestic violence” dimissal. Its true the Domestic Battery charge is in fact dismissed; however, its part of a large plea. As a resulte the “domestic violence conviction rate” goes from 33 to 9 despite the fact that the wife-beating felon is serving time on a higher level felony.

Ta da! 33 became 9 and yet the citizens of this county are safer. Gotta love “fuzzy math.” I guess “Results Matter” after all.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2006/08/domestic_dispute.html#comment-295 Anonymous Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:07:57 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2006/08/domestic_dispute.html#comment-295 9 PERCENT! Tell me about the decline from 33 percent to 9 percent, and I swear to god, I'll vote for Carl. 9 PERCENT!

Tell me about the decline from 33 percent to 9 percent, and I swear to god, I’ll vote for Carl.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2006/08/domestic_dispute.html#comment-294 Anonymous Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:46:11 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2006/08/domestic_dispute.html#comment-294 MK has no ideas other than those issues that she should have and could have addressed from her position in the mayor's office - but didn't. So what does a candidate do when she has no ideas? She attacks her opponent. And attacks. And attacks. Ideas? Philosophy? Vision? Melina has none of those. So what do you expect? Fortunately, this type of campaign hardly ever wins. Even when the incumbent is unpopular, which Carl is not, the challenger must always offer some new ideas. Melina has none. MK has no ideas other than those issues that she should have and could have addressed from her position in the mayor’s office - but didn’t. So what does a candidate do when she has no ideas? She attacks her opponent. And attacks. And attacks.

Ideas? Philosophy? Vision? Melina has none of those. So what do you expect? Fortunately, this type of campaign hardly ever wins. Even when the incumbent is unpopular, which Carl is not, the challenger must always offer some new ideas. Melina has none.

]]> By: legalobserver http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2006/08/domestic_dispute.html#comment-293 legalobserver Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:41:53 +0000 http://www.indianabarrister.com/archives/2006/08/domestic_dispute.html#comment-293 Some food for thought. Apparently the press is a little skeptical about the 9% number and is starting to do its own analysis. In about a third of the cases the misdemeanor dv charges are being dropped in exchange for pleas to more serious charges. If this is true, MK's staff may be doing her more harm than good by putting out misinformation and getting the press all riled up. It only goes to hurt her credibility. This should be a competitive race of ideas, philosophy and vision and MK's campaign being wrong on crucial data (either on purpose or by accident) doesn't help. Some food for thought. Apparently the press is a little skeptical about the 9% number and is starting to do its own analysis. In about a third of the cases the misdemeanor dv charges are being dropped in exchange for pleas to more serious charges. If this is true, MK’s staff may be doing her more harm than good by putting out misinformation and getting the press all riled up. It only goes to hurt her credibility. This should be a competitive race of ideas, philosophy and vision and MK’s campaign being wrong on crucial data (either on purpose or by accident) doesn’t help.

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